Lightroom 6 (old) - M11

[Michael-IIIf]

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On 10/6/2022 at 8:32 PM, Anbaric said:

and see how I got on with LR6 before getting on the subscription treadmill.

I stuck with LR6.14 as long as I could but the forced upgrade to subscription was the change to M1 Macs; 6.14 does not run on them.

Before the upgrade I had no problems with 6.14 and if it still ran on the new Macs I would still be using it.

Having said that ~£120 per year is not bad to keep your photography habit alive. I used to spend considerably more than that on film and processing.

[dugby]

On 10/6/2022 at 2:34 AM, Adam Bonn said:

If you wanted the correct adobe standard profile for the M11 (or any camera not supported by older adobe) you can download FOC the adobe DNG converter, convert an M11 DNG to DNG (yes that works) then download FOC adobe DNG profile editor, open the converted DNG and extract the adobe profile and save it into the correct folder on your system

Alternatively I did all that when the M11 was released, so I've attached the correct file.

Not sure if you're a mac or windows user, but the file goes in one of these locations

Mac

/Users/*your-username*/Library/Application Support/Adobe/CameraRaw/CameraProfiles

Win

C:\Users\*your-username*\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\CameraRaw\CameraProfiles 

Adobe Standard (LEICA M11).dcp 107.28 kB · 4 downloads

Hi Adam.  Thankyou for providing the above tips.

Whilst I have always been satisfied with how the stand-alone perpetual Lightroom 6.14 has handled my M10-R DNG development processing, I was always curious about what could be different with an Adobe Standard camera profile for the M10-R.

I followed your documented steps in 2022, and was unable to see a difference in switching between the M10-R profile that came within the DNG and that from a created .dcp using the above steps.

 

So in 2024 I have reproduced the above steps to create a .dcp from an M10-R DNG converted to DNG, and exported the new profile into the appropriate Windows folders detailed in your steps.

In LR6.14 with a loaded M10-R DNG, as I toggle the camera profile between "M10-R"  and "Adobe Standard Leica M10-R" and still don't see any difference to the image. However as I observe the histogram for the image during the toggling between camera profiles, I do see a very slight movement in the histogram, but if I blinked I would not have seen those histogram changes.

 

I am starting to think that Leica's M10-R dcp embedded in the DNG has been well created for Lightroom.6.14

 

Have enclosed a copy of the dcp

 

Adobe Standard Leica M10-R.dcp

[Adam Bonn]

2 hours ago, dugby said:

I am starting to think that Leica's M10-R dcp embedded in the DNG has been well created for Lightroom.6.14

 

Have enclosed a copy of the dcp

That's not the adobe dcp, looks like you've extracted the Leica one (BTW the tone curve is added by DNG Profile Editor)

{

"UniqueCameraModel": "LEICA M10-R",

"ProfileName": "Adobe Standard Leica M10-R",

"ProfileCopyright": "Dugby",

"ProfileEmbedPolicy": "Allow copying",

"ProfileCalibrationSignature": "com.adobe",

"CalibrationIlluminant1": "StdA",

"CalibrationIlluminant2": "D65",

"ColorMatrix1": [

[ 0.549800, -0.192900, -0.033500 ],

[ -0.442800, 1.198000, 0.277500 ],

[ -0.084600, 0.225500, 0.597700 ]

],

"ColorMatrix2": [

[ 0.493200, -0.130100, -0.049100 ],

[ -0.590400, 1.385200, 0.223100 ],

[ -0.182400, 0.340600, 0.530900 ]

],

"ProfileToneCurve": [

[ 0.000000, 0.000000 ],

[ 0.019608, 0.019608 ],

[ 0.058824, 0.098039 ],

[ 0.196078, 0.419608 ],

[ 0.392157, 0.709804 ],

[ 0.784314, 0.952941 ],

[ 1.000000, 1.000000 ]

]

}

 

Here's the real adobe one

LEICA M10-R Adobe Standard.dcp 

[dugby]

Thankyou Adam for reviewing my dcp, and providing the correct Adobe version of the dcp file for the M10-R

I have loaded your "LEICA M10-R Adobe Standard.dcp" file into my LR6.14   and now as I toggle the camera profile, yours displays in the pull down as "Adobe Standard"

Now as I toggle between the M10-R profile provided by Leica from within the DNG versus that provided by you, I do notice a slight change to some colours in the image, though all quite minimal, and insufficient to ascertain one being more or less desirable than the other.

 

The variation between the two dcp files effects on a M10-R image is so subtle, I once again conclude that Leica did a great job with their version of the M10-R dcp and that my confidence in the Leica provided version remains high.

 

Thankyou for responding and assisting.

[jaapv]

On 10/7/2022 at 3:07 PM, Adam Bonn said:

I have not... truth be told I had PS elements back in about 2008 (!!) then migrated to other apps and didn't touch PS again until I got my CC subscription last January... so I need to make an effort to spend some time getting familiar with the latest PS version. I assume youtube would be my friend here...

Super res does sound occasionally very, very useful

If you are more of a reference book type (I am) I would recommend https://scottkelby.com/announcing-new-photoshop-cc-book-digital-photographers/

[Adam Bonn]

On 2/2/2024 at 2:04 PM, dugby said:

Thankyou Adam for reviewing my dcp, and providing the correct Adobe version of the dcp file for the M10-R

I have loaded your "LEICA M10-R Adobe Standard.dcp" file into my LR6.14   and now as I toggle the camera profile, yours displays in the pull down as "Adobe Standard"

Now as I toggle between the M10-R profile provided by Leica from within the DNG versus that provided by you, I do notice a slight change to some colours in the image, though all quite minimal, and insufficient to ascertain one being more or less desirable than the other.

 

The variation between the two dcp files effects on a M10-R image is so subtle, I once again conclude that Leica did a great job with their version of the M10-R dcp and that my confidence in the Leica provided version remains high.

 

Thankyou for responding and assisting.

No Problem.

Perceived differences can be rather image dependant..

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Leica profile (left) vs adobe standard (NOT adobe color)

Apologies for the screen shots* but if you look closely (or even casually) we see the Leica profile has overall more saturation (yellow is easiest to spot, but it's across all the colours really) but yes, adding or removing contrast could balance these up quite nicely

However,

When we compare adobe (Left) with Leica here we see quite a difference in the rendering of blue.. on the Leica profile it's bleeding out of the subject and turning into a solid block of colour (this is because of differences in content between the -frankly basic- Leica profile and adobe profile that's full of instructions in handling gamut compression and hue twists at clipping points.)

There's no law that says one must use the same profile every time.  For my €0.02 if in camera exposure is good, in nice light then the Leica profiles are probably the shortest way to a punchy image. If a lot of editing is required (high DR scene etc) then the adobe profiles will take more pushing around.

(*In case anyone is wondering... NO this isn't a suitable DNG from which to produce a colorchecker shot... well not unless anyone's planning a shoot on top of my washing machine... and if you, are be a sweetie and take the clothes and hang them to dry please)

 

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I tried the M10 Embedded profile after reading this thread.  It is…saturated.

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[Alberti]

On 10/7/2022 at 11:28 AM, Ouroboros said:

With the basic CC subscription of £9.99 pm you are allowed up to five websites and you can use custom domain names.  Not bad at all for a freebie with no SEO worries, hosting fees, updates or security issues to bother with.

 

Looking at it, I dearly miss upwards from mid-res picture viewing in the website you point to. (I assume it is the one made with Adobe; the layout and navigation is great.). You have some great pictures - - that display as less than 1000 pixels.

Free. Sure. But Adobe should cater for more ambitious or proud Leica users.

Edited February 4, 2024 by Alberti

[Jeff S]

6 hours ago, Alberti said:

Looking at it, I dearly miss upwards from mid-res picture viewing in the website you point to. (I assume it is the one made with Adobe; the layout and navigation is great.). You have some great pictures - - that display as less than 1000 pixels.

Free. Sure. But Adobe should cater for more ambitious or proud Leica users.

Sadly, he (Steve Walton) passed away not long ago in a mountain biking accident, discussed elsewhere in the forum. 
 

Jeff

Edited February 4, 2024 by Jeff S