frame-it Posted October 20, 2022 Share #1021 Posted October 20, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) 7 minutes ago, shirubadanieru said: So the price just got released here in Japan and it costs ￥748,000 ?!? That’s more than the MP which costs around 600,000…makes even less sense now yeah but will probably sell really fast Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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shirubadanieru Posted October 20, 2022 Share #1022 Posted October 20, 2022 Just now, frame-it said: yeah but will probably sell really fast That’s probably why they made the MP be out of stock lol so that people have no option other than to buy new M6 ahah for that price (more expensive than a new MP/MA) it really lost every possible sense this camera could have Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adli Posted October 20, 2022 Share #1023 Posted October 20, 2022 I want that "Leitz" red dot. Mine was replaced with a "Leica" red dot when the camera was in for service. Was told they would not use the Leitz name anymore because of copyright issues. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/336216-new-leica-m6-film-camera/?do=findComment&comment=4539629'>More sharing options...
neekon Posted October 20, 2022 Share #1024 Posted October 20, 2022 After seeing the announcement and reading a bit about it. With the price listed at 5295$. I stand by my previous opinion. This is a camera without a market. The MP is 5695$, used the MP is 4500-5300$ and is a much better and aesthetically pleasing camera. The original M6 can be had for 2800-3800$ on the used market in varying conditions, if you want the M6 aesthetic. There is absolutely no reason, in my mind, to get this over an MP(used or new) or an original M6. Even the videos posted can't really give a good reason for this camera to exist. All the marketing jargon is related to film, and film cameras, but that jargon can be put on a marketing video for the MP or any film camera. Collectors and wealthy people will have a field day. And it will likely be sold out for months or years. I, for one think this is a swing and a miss in terms of price. This should've always been a cheap M film camera that brings users to the M system and to film as a whole. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted October 20, 2022 Share #1025 Posted October 20, 2022 1 minute ago, neekon said: This is a camera without a market. perhaps in your region..the world is quite big 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
neekon Posted October 20, 2022 Share #1026 Posted October 20, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, frame-it said: perhaps in your region..the world is quite big why would you get this over an MP though? Thats the point Im making. Its not priced cheaper than an MP. If it was 4000-4500$ it could be a cheaper alternative, but its basically the same price, or more than an MP. that why its a camera without a market, because it doesn't differentiate enough from the similarly priced, better cameras in the lineup Edited October 20, 2022 by neekon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmyp82 Posted October 20, 2022 Share #1027 Posted October 20, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 minute ago, neekon said: why would you get this over an MP though? Thats the point im making? its not priced cheaper than an MP. If it was 4000-4500$ I could be the market, but its basically the same price, or more than an MP. that why its a camera without a market, because it doesn't differentiate enough from the similarly priced, better cameras in the lineup I think you would buy it if you were a collector, or if you just love the M6 style/name, seen a lot M6's being used online, you are someone that has the cash for a new film M, so thats probably the logical choice? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacobjuul Posted October 20, 2022 Share #1028 Posted October 20, 2022 9 minutes ago, neekon said: After seeing the announcement and reading a bit about it. With the price listed at 5295$. I stand by my previous opinion. This is a camera without a market. The MP is 5695$, used the MP is 4500-5300$ and is a much better and aesthetically pleasing camera. The original M6 can be had for 2800-3800$ on the used market in varying conditions, if you want the M6 aesthetic. There is absolutely no reason, in my mind, to get this over an MP(used or new) or an original M6. Even the videos posted can't really give a good reason for this camera to exist. All the marketing jargon is related to film, and film cameras, but that jargon can be put on a marketing video for the MP or any film camera. Collectors and wealthy people will have a field day. And it will likely be sold out for months or years. I, for one think this is a swing and a miss in terms of price. This should've always been a cheap M film camera that brings users to the M system and to film as a whole. It's not an m6, it's an mp. So you can't really say an mp is "a much better" camera. The new M6 is arguably a better camera than the MP, since it's more ergonomic. The MP is just prettier. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
neekon Posted October 20, 2022 Share #1029 Posted October 20, 2022 Just now, Jimmyp82 said: I think you would buy it if you were a collector, or if you just love the M6 style/name, seen a lot M6's being used online, you are someone that has the cash for a new film M, so thats probably the logical choice? As a collector I can understand the desire, it will likely be a nice thing to put on the shelf. If someone has the cash for a new film M, why not the MP? My issue isnt the camera, my issue is the price of the camera, it is priced stupidly, at 4000-4500 is a good camera, and would appeal to a lot more people, at 5300, just buy an MP and move on 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom.w.bn Posted October 20, 2022 Share #1030 Posted October 20, 2022 vor 11 Minuten schrieb verwackelt: I expected and hoped for a product about 3500€ to lure people that never shot film before into film photography. 5050€ is crazy… And not even a modernized shutter that makes 1/2000 to be able to take photos with all the Luxes wide open during the day… I agree about the price expectation and the actual price. I don't agree that a 3500€ camera would lure people into film photography. In our local film community we can see that sub 200€ cameras lure people into trying film, especially students/ young adults. With this new M6 you will not get new people into film photography. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
neekon Posted October 20, 2022 Share #1031 Posted October 20, 2022 1 minute ago, Jacobjuul said: It's not an m6, it's an mp. So you can't really say an mp is "a much better" camera. The new M6 is arguably a better camera than the MP, since it's more ergonomic. The MP is just prettier. Why is the M6 more ergonomic? I always preferred using an MP over an M6, and the lack of a bright red dot was always appealing to me aesthetically. True, this is just an MP in an M6 body. As I stated above, my issue isnt the camera, a new film camera is a huge thing. My issue is the price. 4000-4500 was the sweet spot for this camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted October 20, 2022 Share #1032 Posted October 20, 2022 Just now, neekon said: Why is the M6 more ergonomic? I always preferred using an MP over an M6, and the lack of a bright red dot was always appealing to me aesthetically. True, this is just an MP in an M6 body. As I stated above, my issue isnt the camera, a new film camera is a huge thing. My issue is the price. 4000-4500 was the sweet spot for this camera. Why would you expect this to cost less since it’s pretty much identical to the MP? And who owed us a cheap M film camera? The film advance lever and rewind are more ergonomic. The person you replied to literally said as much along with saying others will feel differently. I don’t get the negative reactions. This is why we don’t get nice things 😆 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirubadanieru Posted October 20, 2022 Share #1033 Posted October 20, 2022 (edited) Yeah the new M6 now in Japan costs almost the same as what a new M10 cost…if this is the new price standard for film cameras I’m guessing prices for MP / MA will go up anytime soon…because now it feels that it’s like the MP with all that M6 lettering / red dot is more expensive than the cleaner / typically more expensive version with no lettering and logo…oh well, was never gonna buy this camera but this price was a surprise ahah Still happy that it is out tho, more choice for users to pick what they want is always great! If you want the Leitz logo, then you can now have it in a brand new body! Edited October 20, 2022 by shirubadanieru Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Prime Posted October 20, 2022 Share #1034 Posted October 20, 2022 this was all rather predictable, today's Leica is about cash-grabbing, not about film cameras. Perhaps prices of the original M6 will go up too. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted October 20, 2022 Share #1035 Posted October 20, 2022 1 minute ago, Mr.Prime said: this was all rather predictable, today's Leica is about cash-grabbing, not about film cameras… Ridiculous. Yeah, one of the only companies hand-making film cameras in 2022 is “not about film cameras”. 😐😑 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted October 20, 2022 Share #1036 Posted October 20, 2022 17 minutes ago, neekon said: why would you get this over an MP though? Thats the point Im making. Its not priced cheaper than an MP. many people will get it because they can and its a new camera, will last a long time 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
neekon Posted October 20, 2022 Share #1037 Posted October 20, 2022 Just now, hdmesa said: Why would you expect this to cost less since it’s pretty much identical to the MP? And who owed us a cheap M film camera? The film advance lever and rewind are more ergonomic. The person you replied to literally said as much along with saying others will feel differently. I don’t get the negative reactions. This is why we don’t get nice things 😆 Because there has been talk and rumors of a cheaper M film camera for what feels like years. Then there was talk of an M6 and that seemed like the natural camera to do that with, a new M6, priced to bring people into the M. No one owes up a cheap film M, never said anyone did. The rewind I can see, however I personally prefer the MP film advance. I didnt see that post of his, I am coming back into this thread and missed a page or 2. Maybe the negative reactions are people who were hoping for a more affordable film M and got a cash grab. I will again say, I do not have an issue with re-releasing an M6, I have owned a few in the past. In my opinion, however, this release was a missed opportunity to release a less expensive film M, 4000-4500$. The M6 has been a lot of M users first film M, or first M in general, mostly due to the price being cheap on the second hand market. With this release they could've done just that, release a cheaper film M to bring in new users. As it is, it feels like a collectors camera, for collectors and rich people. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
neekon Posted October 20, 2022 Share #1038 Posted October 20, 2022 Just now, frame-it said: many people will get it because they can and its a new camera, will last a long time thats perfectly fine. People can spend their money how they please. I will be skipping it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted October 20, 2022 Share #1039 Posted October 20, 2022 (edited) RIP MP. Just a redesign of the MP offering to make it more recognisable to current audiences, and sell into the current demand for old M6 bodies. The MP name was always confusing given the MP (M240), M9P etc. Will there be any new MPs made from now on? I doubt it. I wonder when the last one rolled off the production line? Spring this year? It's the M6 from now on. Now wait for the M-A to roll over and get the M4 treatment. Edited October 20, 2022 by LocalHero1953 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danner Posted October 20, 2022 Share #1040 Posted October 20, 2022 Notice that it has a 0.73x viewfinder, for tighter compositions as compared to the obsolete 0.72x viewfinder. This is progress! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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