George Stoichev Posted August 24, 2022 Share #1  Posted August 24, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi everyone, I use Leica M6 with 50mm Summicron. I need a 28mm lens and I’m hesitating among Elmarit M 28mm and Zeiss ZM 28mm Biogon.I have seen many reviews and my inclinations are to Elmarit.I really like the newest small version, but is too expensive. I have read that there is some problem with 3rd version, is this true? Is the difference between 3rd and 4th version so big? what are tour recommendations? Please, my question is only about these two brands, no Voigtlander, 7Artissian etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted August 24, 2022 Posted August 24, 2022 Hi George Stoichev, Take a look here Elmarit M 28mm. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
pedaes Posted August 24, 2022 Share #2  Posted August 24, 2022 (edited)  What do you have against Voigtlander? Notwithstanding what you have said, I would very seriously consider the Voigtlander, better and cheaper than both https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1704868 Edited August 24, 2022 by pedaes 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 24, 2022 Share #3  Posted August 24, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, George Stoichev said: I have read that there is some problem with 3rd version, is this true You mean Elmarit-M 28/2.8 asph v1 perhaps? (pic). My favorite compact 28 ever. So compact that i'm not tempted by the current version. Same reason why i'm not tempted by the Biogon either. No idea what problems it may have, never seen any in 15+ years. Highly recommended. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited August 24, 2022 by lct 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/335903-elmarit-m-28mm/?do=findComment&comment=4496253'>More sharing options...
George Stoichev Posted August 24, 2022 Author Share #4  Posted August 24, 2022 8 minutes ago, lct said: You mean Elmarit-M 28/2.8 asph v1 perhaps? (pic). My favorite compact 28 ever. So compact that i'm not tempted by the current version. Same reason why i'm not tempted by the Biogon either. No idea what problems it may have, never seen any in 15+ years. Highly recommended. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! For which version you are talking about? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madNbad Posted August 24, 2022 Share #5  Posted August 24, 2022 Both the Zeiss Biogon and Voigtlander lenses are made in the same facility but if you really want a Elmarit-M ASPH get the early version with the clip on hood. The latest version is optimized for digital and wouldn’t bring much improvement on film. A common problem is wobbly elements often caused by grasping the hood to unmount the lens from the body. There are plenty of deals to be had on this lens. I just bought one that is in like new condition for fifteen hundred usd. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Stoichev Posted August 24, 2022 Author Share #6  Posted August 24, 2022 16 minutes ago, pedaes said:  What do you have against Voigtlander? Notwithstanding what you have said, I would very seriously consider the Voigtlander, better and cheaper than both https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1704868 People like or dislike brands.I dislike some of Voigtlander lenses.This doesn’t mean they are bad! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madNbad Posted August 24, 2022 Share #7 Â Posted August 24, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) The current version stock number is 11677 the previous version was 11606. If you use filters, the Elmarit-M will take the same 39 mm filters as your Summicron, the Zeiss uses a 46 mm filter size. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 24, 2022 Share #8  Posted August 24, 2022 (edited) 29 minutes ago, George Stoichev said: For which version you are talking about? That of the photo above (11606). Existed also in silver (11666 below). Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited August 24, 2022 by lct Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/335903-elmarit-m-28mm/?do=findComment&comment=4496272'>More sharing options...
IzelPhotography Posted August 24, 2022 Share #9  Posted August 24, 2022 I can't speak of the Zeiss but I have just bought the 28mm Elmarit 11677 version as a first lens for the M11. I'm absolutely amazed by this lens, so small and light... the hood is actually bigger than the lens. This will be used as a general purpose  / landscape lens. The out of focus areas are rendered very nicely and it is very sharp across the frame. If I had one niggle it would be that I'd like a little more resistance to the aperture ring. But that really is nit picking. I do like the metal screw on lens hood but I may also look to see if a compact one is available for when I want to keep it as compact as possible. As others have mentioned, it is a 39mm filter and I noticed some older variants may have been 46mm. I found this one as an open box, mint and everything as new for £600 less than retail. If you do decide to go for the 28mm Elmarit, just google round first, you may find a bargain. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Stoichev Posted August 24, 2022 Author Share #10  Posted August 24, 2022 16 minutes ago, lct said: That of the photo above (11606). Existed also in silver (11666 below). Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I’m looking this one, it is 3rd generation Elmarit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 24, 2022 Share #11 Â Posted August 24, 2022 Ah yes good lens but less contrasty and less compact than the asph v1 i was referring to. I did not go for it last century as i preferred the small size of the Rokkor 28/2.8 then so i have no personal experience with that 3rd version sorry. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreasG Posted August 24, 2022 Share #12  Posted August 24, 2022 vor 20 Minuten schrieb George Stoichev: I’m looking this one, it is 3rd generation Elmarit This is also a great lens, it draws a little warmer compared to the ASPH version 1, however, it is bulky. I own both, the ASPH V1 is my favourite lens for a couple of years now. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted August 24, 2022 Share #13  Posted August 24, 2022 56 minutes ago, George Stoichev said: I have read that there is some problem with 3rd version, is this true? Is the difference between 3rd and 4th version so big? "Big" is the key word. The v.3 is a fine lens, but it was the largest 28mm Elmarit-M Leitz/Leica made. 49mm filter size. And as your picture shows, it has that extra ~1cm band in front of the aperture ring. The size was an optical necessity at the time (1980), to avoid interfering with internal metering mechanisms (M5/M6) and improve corner resolution compared to the v.2. Also, in 1980, M cameras did not include a 28mm frameline. The v.3 intrudes into the main viewfinder more than others, but it was assumed people would be using an accessory viewfinder in the top shoe for 28mm framing, in that era. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! The v.4 is smaller (46mm filters, 41mm length), has slightly more contrast overall, and a bit redder color rendering. But only marginally more clarity at f/2.8. Its main "design goal" was the size reduction. Although the v.4 actually gained 10g in weight (260g, vs. 250g for the v.3). Both the v.3 and v.4 use rather large, ungainly bayonet or clip-on hoods, especially compared to the v.5 (ASPH). 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! The v.4 is smaller (46mm filters, 41mm length), has slightly more contrast overall, and a bit redder color rendering. But only marginally more clarity at f/2.8. Its main "design goal" was the size reduction. Although the v.4 actually gained 10g in weight (260g, vs. 250g for the v.3). Both the v.3 and v.4 use rather large, ungainly bayonet or clip-on hoods, especially compared to the v.5 (ASPH). ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/335903-elmarit-m-28mm/?do=findComment&comment=4496298'>More sharing options...
George Stoichev Posted August 24, 2022 Author Share #14 Â Posted August 24, 2022 2 hours ago, AndreasG said: This is also a great lens, it draws a little warmer compared to the ASPH version 1, however, it is bulky. I own both, the ASPH V1 is my favourite lens for a couple of years now. Which generation you call ASPH V1, how can I find it in eBay, what is the number of the item? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 24, 2022 Share #15 Â Posted August 24, 2022 56 minutes ago, George Stoichev said: Which generation you call ASPH V1, how can I find it in eBay, what is the number of the item? It is the 11606 lens i posted a photo above (link). You may wish to type "Leica 11606" on eBay to begin with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
genji Posted August 24, 2022 Share #16  Posted August 24, 2022 Forget the Biogon ZM 28/2.8 unless you’re willing to risk it developing the Zeiss ZM wobble, which my copy did. https://www.facebook.com/skyllaney/posts/the-zeiss-zm-wobblean-issue-i-have-been-repairing-for-years-and-one-i-consider-a/283259903331660/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted August 24, 2022 Share #17 Â Posted August 24, 2022 Another vote here for the v1 asph Elmarit (11606) as shown by lct in post #3. Everything about it (IMO) is superb. Considering its tiny size every aspect of its performance is pretty much as good as it could possibly get. On balance there is no other 28mm I'd rather have irrespective of price. Philip. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Stoichev Posted August 25, 2022 Author Share #18  Posted August 25, 2022 20 hours ago, genji said: Forget the Biogon ZM 28/2.8 unless you’re willing to risk it developing the Zeiss ZM wobble, which my copy did. https://www.facebook.com/skyllaney/posts/the-zeiss-zm-wobblean-issue-i-have-been-repairing-for-years-and-one-i-consider-a/283259903331660/ Wobble? I can’t find some pic of zeiss Zm on this link Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted August 25, 2022 Share #19  Posted August 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, George Stoichev said: Wobble? I can’t find some pic of zeiss Zm on this link Elmarit-M 28mm or Summicron-M 28mm do have wobble too.   Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 25, 2022 Share #20 Â Posted August 25, 2022 10 minutes ago, a.noctilux said: Elmarit-M 28mm or Summicron-M 28mm do have wobble too They have not plastic parts though or have they? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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