Damn M7

[Erato]

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“The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool.” 

― William Shakespeare, As You Like It

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[madNbad]

Where can we view some of these many images? 

[Huss]

4 hours ago, Capuccino-Muffin said:

Huss, I’m not sure why I would take your advice. 
Let’s just say that our standards are vastly different. You shoot and love chinese lenses and other plastic cameras. I do not.

Just calling a spade a spade.

ahh when you run out of arguments change the subject!

I love my Chinese lenses!  I love my Leica lenses!  I love my two M7s and my other Ms ! I love my plastic Kodak Ektar H35 half frame camera I just bought!

Poor baby not being able take pics of your ankles, sky, tree and whatever  else you’re doing when you’re trying to use an M at 4 fps!  But do tell us more about your 4 fps exploits!

[Huss]

The root of the problem is the way muffin started this conversation.  Instead of using a polite informative tone, stating something like ‘hey you may find this interesting but there is a weird quirk etc etc’ muffin goes off the deep end attempting to illustrate some imaginary prowess that the rest of us would be in awe of.  Because only someone of his abilities - and he makes sure to stress that! - would be hampered by it.  Not anyone else because they are not his equal.

 

and then he wonders why he is viewed with disdain on this site.   Here’s a clue muffin, get some people skills.

[oldwino]

3 hours ago, Erato said:

“The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool.” 

― William Shakespeare, As You Like It

Yeah...but could Bill Shakespeare shoot his M7 at 4fps? Methinks not.

[Huss]

“Less is only more where more is no good.”

 

 

[Matlock]

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2 hours ago, Huss said:

The root of the problem is the way muffin started this conversation.  Instead of using a polite informative tone, stating something like ‘hey you may find this interesting but there is a weird quirk etc etc’ muffin goes off the deep end attempting to illustrate some imaginary prowess that the rest of us would be in awe of.  Because only someone of his abilities - and he makes sure to stress that! - would be hampered by it.  Not anyone else because they are not his equal.

 

and then he wonders why he is viewed with disdain on this site.   Here’s a clue muffin, get some people skills.

And to think The Muffin once accused me of being a troll 😄

[ianman]

16 hours ago, stray cat said:

With respect, I recommend that the OP reads the article I’ve linked below. The statement about the operational speed of the Leica M7 comes from someone whose credibility on matters pertaining to photography, I think we’d agree, is pretty much beyond reproach: https://www.lemonde.fr/m-le-mag/article/2016/04/27/raymond-depardon-et-son-inseparable-leica_4909357_4500055.html

It might be worth your while contacting him, though, because he might not have done the Leicavit test, whatever that is.

Thanks for the interesting link Phil. I don’t wish to take side or participate in the usual lynch mob that forms itself in so many threads but this extract of the article Phil linked to is interesting and relevant, and of course comes from a much respected source with an undeniable reputation and track record.

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je travaille avec le M7, l’appareil photo le plus rapide au monde. Sa latence est la plus courte, 120 millisecondes entre le moment où l’on appuie sur le déclencheur et la prise de vue. Certains appareils ne suivent pas et ne déclenchent pas tout de suite. Celui-là déclenche très vite. Dix fois plus vite que n’importe quel autre boîtier, même numérique.

“I work with the M7, the fastest camera in the world. It’s latency is the shortest, 120 milliseconds between the moment the shutter release being pressed and the shot taken. Some cameras don’t match up and don’t fire right away. This one does very quickly. Ten times more*** so than any other camera, even digital” 

*** this state seems a little exaggerated!

Edited July 29, 2022 by ianman

[Fotoklaus]

Why does Frank Zappa come into my mind...

[vanhulsenbeek]

On 7/26/2022 at 8:54 AM, andybarton said:

Strange.

My M7 had a superb meter and never displayed any sluggish behaviour.

Mine too: still miss it. It got washed away in the 2004 Tsunami.

Including a TA Rapidwinder

Sander

[mr35mm]

Dear M7 users, pls just enjoy your M7, take photos and forget about Leicavit & Co...

 

[charlesphoto99]

14 hours ago, Capuccino-Muffin said:

 

Why do people feel so offended by this? It’s not like you created the M7 after all, or is it?

I’m dumbfounded by the overprotective reactions coming from people who haven’t used a Leicavit, let alone a M7. What’s up with that?

We're not (it's just a freakin' camera after all, not a SCOTUS ruling we don't agree with). It's just that many of us have used M7's (myself professionally, at times to shoot bands even when I owned one) and didn't encounter the same issue, not even close. So either there's something wrong with yours, or something wrong with you. You pick. 

[Capuccino-Muffin]

Many wedding photographers use a Nikon D3000 because it does everything the D6 does. I’ve met many. 

100% of the time, they are the bottom feeders. No other way to say it. But oh, you should listen to them... they know so much, they never felt the need to upgrade. They ridicule the “insecure” Pros.

That’s that.

[Anbaric]

I heard the best camera for weddings it the Olympus Trip.

 

[Capuccino-Muffin]

This is worst than I thought. Nobody has a leicavit and a M7 in here (except me)?? Why do you even parricipate, then? Isn’t this a most classic case of ignorance happening right before us?

And what is so shameful of shooting at 3-4 fps? Is this somekind of non-written rule that only a Nikon F5 is allowed to indulge? 

To all the old hands out there, shooting a MP at 3-4 fps is easy peasy. Just not for you, nor for the super laggy M7. 
 

Try it. And come back with your testimony. Asking for apology is totally fine, believe me.

 

 

 

[Anbaric]

The 8 fps Nikon F5 laughs at lesser cameras that can barely manage 4.

(This is actually pretty extraordinary):

 

[Sailronin]

I owned an M7 and used it mostly for street shooting, but I'm a deliberate shooter so never had any issues with the responsiveness.  I was alternating shooting between an M6, M7 and MP and never really noticed any difference between them. Now I'm down to the MP as sole 35mm film camera and only shoot a few rolls a month (nothing like 100 rolls/month) but still manage to post quite a bit in this forum.  

Here's one from a couple of years ago; M7 with 35mm Summicron on FP4+ dev in HC110B

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Edited July 30, 2022 by Sailronin

[Matlock]

5 hours ago, Capuccino-Muffin said:

This is worst than I thought. Nobody has a leicavit and a M7 in here (except me)?? Why do you even parricipate, then? Isn’t this a most classic case of ignorance happening right before us?

And what is so shameful of shooting at 3-4 fps? Is this somekind of non-written rule that only a Nikon F5 is allowed to indulge? 

To all the old hands out there, shooting a MP at 3-4 fps is easy peasy. Just not for you, nor for the super laggy M7. 
 

Try it. And come back with your testimony. Asking for apology is totally fine, believe me.

 

 

 

Sadly for you many of us do have Leicavits (I have two, one for my MP3 and one for my M7}. Leica claim a maximum of 2 fps. Most of us have not responded before as we are a little tired of your silly games. Your posts are getting more and more irrational and as Charles said "So either there's something wrong with yours, or something wrong with you. You pick". I rather think it is the latter, in which case comparatively few members of this forum can help, but help is out there if you choose to seek it.

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[LocalHero1953]

This thread just gets better and better. Starting with a general rant about the sluggishness of the M7, its AE and batteries, the use case for exposing that sluggishness has got narrower and narrower over the pages. The OP forgot to mention he was using a Leicavit, and it now appears that the problem only occurs when advancing large quantities of film at speeds only the supremely talented professional non-wedding photographer can achieve.

I look forward to reading more, but I fear the use case may narrow further in order to reduce the numbers of those who can challenge it from experience.

[ianman]

6 hours ago, Anbaric said:

(This is actually pretty extraordinary)

I can imagine the brainstorming meeting…. “ so we are going for Johns grandma and not Hussain Bolt!?”