Helge Posted July 28, 2022 Share #41 Ā Posted July 28, 2022 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) vor 15 Minuten schrieb Fotoklaus: So you love your M7s, both of them, but they are not suitable for your kind of photpgraphy. You name problems no one else had with an M7. But you will not sell the M7s. So whatĀ“s the point? Donāt feed the troll! If you donāt feed him, he will starve and leaveš Edited July 28, 2022 by Helge 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Capuccino-Muffin Posted July 28, 2022 Author Share #42 Ā Posted July 28, 2022 47 minutes ago, Fotoklaus said: So you love your M7s, both of them, but they are not suitable for your kind of photpgraphy. You name problems no one else had with an M7. But you will not sell the M7s. So whatĀ“s the point? As far as I am aware, this is a Leica forum, not a psychoanalysis forum. And as such, I share my Leica experience with you all. You recomend me to sell my Leicas, and I recomend anyone who dislikes the topic to just move along.Ā Why wonāt I sell both my M7s? Two reasons: second reason is because no one expressed the desire to buy them despite them being rare a la carte BP 0.58 models. The first reason being that I am a heavy user, collector, hoarder and generally a Leica lover. Ā 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted July 28, 2022 Share #43 Ā Posted July 28, 2022 6 minutes ago, Capuccino-Muffin said: The first reason being that I am a heavy user, collector, hoarder and generally a Leica lover. Fair enough. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotoklaus Posted July 28, 2022 Share #44 Ā Posted July 28, 2022 vor 11 Minuten schrieb Capuccino-Muffin: As far as I am aware, this is a Leica forum, not a psychoanalysis forum. ... Ā Ā š Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stray cat Posted July 28, 2022 Share #45 Ā Posted July 28, 2022 (edited) With respect, I recommend that the OP reads the article Iāve linked below. The statement about the operational speed of the Leica M7 comes from someone whose credibility on matters pertaining to photography, I think weād agree, is pretty much beyond reproach:Ā https://www.lemonde.fr/m-le-mag/article/2016/04/27/raymond-depardon-et-son-inseparable-leica_4909357_4500055.html It might be worth your while contacting him, though, because he might not have done the Leicavit test, whatever that is. Edited July 28, 2022 by stray cat 1 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradS Posted July 28, 2022 Share #46 Ā Posted July 28, 2022 What is the Leicavit test?Ā Ā What does it measure? What is the relationship between what the test measures and shutter lag? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted July 28, 2022 Share #47 Ā Posted July 28, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) 9 hours ago, Capuccino-Muffin said: As far as I am aware, this is a Leica forum, not a psychoanalysis forum. And as such, I share my Leica experience with you all. You recomend me to sell my Leicas, and I recomend anyone who dislikes the topic to just move along.Ā Why wonāt I sell both my M7s? Two reasons: second reason is because no one expressed the desire to buy them despite them being rare a la carte BP 0.58 models. The first reason being that I am a heavy user, collector, hoarder and generally a Leica lover. Ā To sum up, you are complaining about an issue that in the real world is non existent, but only exists in 'lab' conditions. Ā Because in the real world no-one would try to shoot a Leica M film camera at 4 fps. Ā For many really obvious reasons including the very simple one of try and hold the camera steady while looking through the viewfinder and composing a scene and cranking on that lever to Ā achieve 4fps. This is just one of those posts to demonstrate expert knowledge of something that no-one needs to know because no-one will actually experience it. Ā It exists, but it doesn't matter that it exists because the existence is inconsequential. Ultimately any photographer with useful knowledge will know to pick the best tool for the job. Ā At 4fps the best tool is not a Leica M. Ā It will be an SLR w/ a motordrive. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capuccino-Muffin Posted July 28, 2022 Author Share #48 Ā Posted July 28, 2022 2 hours ago, BradS said: What is the Leicavit test?Ā Ā What does it measure? What is the relationship between what the test measures and shutter lag? It will show you just how the M7 is slouchy. It canāt even reach 50% of what the MP can reach. This simply says it all. It will also show you that the 10ms measurement it totally off and it was probably just marketing blabber. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capuccino-Muffin Posted July 28, 2022 Author Share #49 Ā Posted July 28, 2022 6 hours ago, stray cat said: With respect, I recommend that the OP reads the article Iāve linked below. The statement about the operational speed of the Leica M7 comes from someone whose credibility on matters pertaining to photography, I think weād agree, is pretty much beyond reproach:Ā https://www.lemonde.fr/m-le-mag/article/2016/04/27/raymond-depardon-et-son-inseparable-leica_4909357_4500055.html It might be worth your while contacting him, though, because he might not have done the Leicavit test, whatever that is. The Leicavit test, whatever it is, uncovers the M7ās slouchiness.Ā Ā Why do people feel so offended by this? Itās not like you created the M7 after all, or is it? Iām dumbfounded by the overprotective reactions coming from people who havenāt used a Leicavit, let alone a M7. Whatās up with that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted July 28, 2022 Share #50 Ā Posted July 28, 2022 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Capuccino-Muffin said: The Leicavit test, whatever it is, uncovers the M7ās slouchiness.Ā Ā Why do people feel so offended by this? Itās not like you created the M7 after all, or is it? Iām dumbfounded by the overprotective reactions coming from people who havenāt used a Leicavit, let alone a M7. Whatās up with that? Actually the question is why do you feel the need to ram down our throats a non issue for a camera that will never be used in that way, ever? Who cares? Ā Not even you, cuz there is no way you ever shoot 4fps with an M. Ā Any M. Ā This is one of those cases of finding something to complain about, and then getting annoyed when you do not get the desired response. Ā Edited July 28, 2022 by Huss 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradS Posted July 28, 2022 Share #51 Ā Posted July 28, 2022 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Capuccino-Muffin said: It will show you just how the M7 is slouchy. It canāt even reach 50% of what the MP can reach. This simply says it all. It will also show you that the 10ms measurement it totally off and it was probably just marketing blabber. Ā So, in other words, you don't know what you're talking about. Edited July 28, 2022 by BradS 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capuccino-Muffin Posted July 28, 2022 Author Share #52 Ā Posted July 28, 2022 30 minutes ago, BradS said: Ā So, in other words, you don't know what you're talking about. Logic would have it otherwise... as I have two M7s, and you none. Ā Ā Ā 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted July 28, 2022 Share #53 Ā Posted July 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Capuccino-Muffin said: The Leicavit test, whatever it is, uncovers the M7ās slouchiness.Ā Ā Why do people feel so offended by this? Itās not like you created the M7 after all, or is it? Iām dumbfounded by the overprotective reactions coming from people who havenāt used a Leicavit, let alone a M7. Whatās up with that? I don't think it's offence or being over protective. It's just that for other users it's a non issue. As I said before if being able to shoot 4 FPS is a requirement then you're really using the wrong camera. Rather like moaning that a 5x4 plate camera won't fit in your pocket and is not practical to use when going on hikes in the mountains. A certain photographer had exactly this problem and devised a solution for it......... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capuccino-Muffin Posted July 28, 2022 Author Share #54 Ā Posted July 28, 2022 38 minutes ago, Huss said: Actually the question is why do you feel the need to ram down our throats a non issue for a camera that will never be used in that way, ever? Who cares? Ā Not even you, cuz there is no way you ever shoot 4fps with an M. Ā Any M. Ā This is one of those cases of finding something to complain about, and then getting annoyed when you do not get the desired response. Ā Huss, Iām not sure why I would take your advice.Ā Letās just say that our standards are vastly different. You shoot and love chinese lenses and other plastic cameras. I do not. Just calling a spade a spade. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capuccino-Muffin Posted July 28, 2022 Author Share #55 Ā Posted July 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, earleygallery said: I don't think it's offence or being over protective. It's just that for other users it's a non issue. As I said before if being able to shoot 4 FPS is a requirement then you're really using the wrong camera. Rather like moaning that a 5x4 plate camera won't fit in your pocket and is not practical to use when going on hikes in the mountains. A certain photographer had exactly this problem and devised a solution for it......... Itās a question of Vo2Max. The M7 just doesnāt have the MPs VO2max. And this, in my hands, shows at all times. Not only at 2 fps. I simply feel the slouchiness at all times. Itās simply there. Ā Wether you have a good vo2max, or not, will not impair your ability to walk a mile to buy milk. But you will do it with much greater ease if youāre fit. Itās just that simple. Ā Nota bene: this does not mean that I Imperatively have to sell the M7. Why would I *have* to? Is this a rule? Ā Ā Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradS Posted July 28, 2022 Share #56 Ā Posted July 28, 2022 14 minutes ago, Capuccino-Muffin said: ... as I have two M7s, and you none. Any fool with a credit card can buy a camera. It doesn't require any talent or intelligence.Ā 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted July 28, 2022 Share #57 Ā Posted July 28, 2022 20 minutes ago, Capuccino-Muffin said: Huss, Iām not sure why I would take your advice.Ā Letās just say that our standards are vastly different. You shoot and love chinese lenses and other plastic cameras. I do not. Just calling a spade a spade. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image hereā¦ Simply register for free here ā We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here ā We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/334893-damn-m7/?do=findComment&comment=4478883'>More sharing options...
Anbaric Posted July 28, 2022 Share #58 Ā Posted July 28, 2022 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Capuccino-Muffin said: Logic would have it otherwise... as I have two M7s, and you none. 43 minutes ago, Capuccino-Muffin said: Letās just say that our standards are vastly different. You shoot and love chinese lenses and other plastic cameras. I do not. I used to think this was a parody: Ā Edited July 29, 2022 by Anbaric 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capuccino-Muffin Posted July 29, 2022 Author Share #59 Ā Posted July 29, 2022 41 minutes ago, BradS said: Any fool with a credit card can buy a camera. It doesn't require any talent or intelligence.Ā But owning the camera WILL change the fool-with-no-experience-with-said-camera into a person-with-experience-with-said-camera.Ā Please notice: the āfoolā disappears. Do you own a M7, in actuality? Ā Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stray cat Posted July 29, 2022 Share #60 Ā Posted July 29, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Capuccino-Muffin said: The Leicavit test, whatever it is, uncovers the M7ās slouchiness.Ā Ā Why do people feel so offended by this? Itās not like you created the M7 after all, or is it? Iām dumbfounded by the overprotective reactions coming from people who havenāt used a Leicavit, let alone a M7. Whatās up with that? Sorry muffin, but Raymond Depardonās opinion counts a lot more for me than yours does. Iām not offended at all, Iām just a little bewildered by your dogmatic bullshit and the wise-ass know-it-all tone.Ā Oh, gosh, is that being overprotective? Edited July 29, 2022 by stray cat 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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