johntobias Posted March 28, 2022 Share #1 Posted March 28, 2022 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) while I mostly use a 35 'cron , I did have an Elmar-M 50 f2.8 on my MP which made for a really compact setup. What I am asking is 'Is it safe to retract the modern Elmar-M 50mm while on the M11 Body??? ' I don't want the rear to hit anything or risk potential damage. have you tried it?? Many thanks in advance for the help, John Edited March 28, 2022 by johntobias typo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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250swb Posted March 28, 2022 Share #2 Posted March 28, 2022 I don't have an M11 manual but it should say in there which lenses are compatible, and the Elmar has been ok with all other digital M cameras. But in any case I doubt your Elmar would be damaged if it did touch something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bikie John Posted March 28, 2022 Share #3 Posted March 28, 2022 I don't have an M11 to try, but the usual advice is to always mount and remove the lens in the extended position. Once it is mounted on the body, the general wisdom is that it is safe to collapse it. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
anickpick Posted March 28, 2022 Share #4 Posted March 28, 2022 (edited) vor 29 Minuten schrieb 250swb: I don't have an M11 manual but it should say in there which lenses are compatible, and the Elmar has been ok with all other digital M cameras. But in any case I doubt your Elmar would be damaged if it did touch something. It is probably not the Elmar he is worrying about Edited March 28, 2022 by anickpick 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johntobias Posted March 28, 2022 Author Share #5 Posted March 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, anickpick said: It is probably not the Elmar he is worrying about Correct ! I've found an M with a collapsed 50mm (without hood) slips into the pocket of a coat brilliantly ! The best camera on earth is the one with you when you need it ! ha ha Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted March 28, 2022 Share #6 Posted March 28, 2022 39 minutes ago, anickpick said: It is probably not the Elmar he is worrying about You don't say! But the Elmar will last longer than the M11, so he may as well look after it 🤣 2 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 28, 2022 Share #7 Posted March 28, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) Excerpt from the M11 manual : « Lenses with retractable tube must only be used with the tube extended, i.e. never attempt to retract the tube while the lens is attached to the camera. This does not apply for the current Makro-Elmar-M 90 f/4 model, as its tube will not retract into the camera itself and can therefore be used without restriction. » 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustafasoleiman Posted March 28, 2022 Share #8 Posted March 28, 2022 (edited) I have both, use them both... No tears were dropped for either... A great combo! AND no issues retracted or otherwise when adding or removing it! Alex Edited March 28, 2022 by mustafasoleiman 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johntobias Posted March 28, 2022 Author Share #9 Posted March 28, 2022 24 minutes ago, mustafasoleiman said: I have both, use them both... No tears were dropped for either... A great combo! AND no issues retracted or otherwise when adding or removing it! Alex ALEX....FAB, I've just bought one and your answer tipped the balance ! cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 28, 2022 Share #10 Posted March 28, 2022 Not to bother you guys, i know some of you like to live dangerously but the bottom of the Elmar's tube sits very close to the roller cam and hitting the latter may not improve your RF accuracy... FWIW. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/331082-m11-and-collapsible-elmar/?do=findComment&comment=4408545'>More sharing options...
Gobert Posted March 28, 2022 Share #11 Posted March 28, 2022 (edited) Depends if you are dealing with Elmar or Elmar-m. Edited March 28, 2022 by Gobert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 28, 2022 Share #12 Posted March 28, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Gobert said: Depends if you are dealing with Elmar or Elmar-m. Elmar-M on the pic above. Edited March 28, 2022 by lct 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted March 28, 2022 Share #13 Posted March 28, 2022 58 minutes ago, lct said: Not to bother you guys, i know some of you like to live dangerously but the bottom of the Elmar's tube sits very close to the roller cam and hitting the latter may not improve your RF accuracy... FWIW. This is right - though the roller cam has always been at the same position (otherwise the rangefinder wouldn't work with different lenses for almost ninety years now...). It has been at the same position in the M6 and no Leica manual told you not to collaps the Elmar-M with an M6 - they introduced the lens together with the M6-J. The roller cam even has been at the same position in the Leica II and neither Barnack nor Berek gave any warnings not collaps a lens (and for them a lens usually was collapsible). One may try with any any screwmount or analog M-body and any lens: you may feel the collision between the lenses ridge and the the roller cam with any of them. With a Summitar you can almost be sure that you feel it. Just turn the lens a little bit and don't force it. Though on the other hand: nobody is forced to collaps any lens. The times when cameras were carried in Mr. Barnack's vest pockets are certainly gone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 28, 2022 Share #14 Posted March 28, 2022 My M6J manual did not warn about any issue indeed but the bottom of the Elmar-M's tube (right) was yet slightly larger than that of the Elmar (left). No problem if the tube doesn't wobble i guess but i prefer using protections like the one below as a precaution. YMMV. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/331082-m11-and-collapsible-elmar/?do=findComment&comment=4408629'>More sharing options...
Photoworks Posted March 28, 2022 Share #15 Posted March 28, 2022 I have seen people use a robber band.. still looks like a noose.. At this point I would use one of the 50mm from voigtlander 1.5 small and light.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 28, 2022 Share #16 Posted March 28, 2022 14 minutes ago, Photoworks said: I have seen people use a robber band.. still looks like a noose.. At this point I would use one of the 50mm from voigtlander 1.5 small and light.. Double Gauss? Hardly a triplet then... Different beasts since 1948 or something . Rubber or plastic bands were advised by Leica in their leaflet for film CL from 1973 (attached). 120-50_notice_120-50_en_roc.pdf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted March 28, 2022 Share #17 Posted March 28, 2022 6 hours ago, lct said: Excerpt from the M11 manual : « Lenses with retractable tube must only be used with the tube extended, i.e. never attempt to retract the tube while the lens is attached to the camera. This does not apply for the current Makro-Elmar-M 90 f/4 model, as its tube will not retract into the camera itself and can therefore be used without restriction. » Yes but that garbled advice is aimed for people who attempt to mount their lens at an angle. If you present the lens more or less square to the lens mount normal human dexterity will ensure it doesn't matter if it is extended or not. Leica are only trying to counter idiots. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 28, 2022 Share #18 Posted March 28, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, 250swb said: Yes but that garbled advice is aimed for people who attempt to mount their lens at an angle. If you present the lens more or less square to the lens mount normal human dexterity will ensure it doesn't matter if it is extended or not. Leica are only trying to counter idiots. Idiots including me. Just tried again on my M240. Problem is not when i mount the lens but when i retract the tube. It does not wobble much, just a little, but i sense that it touches something into the body. Don't ask me why or what i have no idea. I let you doing your own experience folks, enough done by me. Edited March 28, 2022 by lct 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johntobias Posted March 31, 2022 Author Share #19 Posted March 31, 2022 OK, got my Elmar M I can confirm , It collapses perfectly, doesnt touch anything inside and works perfectly making the M11 a fabulously compact setup AND produces stunning results .......ALL GOOD! It is especially nice in matching chrome ! here you go.......:- Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 8 6 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/331082-m11-and-collapsible-elmar/?do=findComment&comment=4410218'>More sharing options...
BlackPaint Posted May 9, 2022 Share #20 Posted May 9, 2022 You should share some image results with this combination! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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