Virob Posted February 24, 2022 Share #1 Posted February 24, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) The last two SL primes were released in the month of February. The 35/2 in February 2019 and the 28/2 in February 2021. The 28, 24 and 21 were promised for 2020. Do we have to wait until February 2023/2025 for the next announcements, or are there any rumblings of something happening “soon”? If not, I’ll order the Sigma 20/2 dg dn when it is available in March and move on. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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beewee Posted February 24, 2022 Share #2 Posted February 24, 2022 (edited) I have a source that has told me more than 1 SL lens will be released this year but who knows. There’s no guaranty in life. As much as I like the Sigma i-series, I don’t think they’d be equivalent to an APO Summicron SL lens. Stopped down to around f/5.6 the Sigma primes are very sharp but shot wide open, the rendering is different and no where near as sharp as what you’ll get out of an APO SL prime. Edited February 24, 2022 by beewee Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Albertson Posted February 24, 2022 Share #3 Posted February 24, 2022 I've been told it's on the horizon, but no red sails in the sunset as yet. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivar B Posted February 25, 2022 Share #4 Posted February 25, 2022 On 2/24/2022 at 5:43 AM, beewee said: I have a source that has told me more than 1 SL lens will be released this year but who knows. There’s no guaranty in life. As much as I like the Sigma i-series, I don’t think they’d be equivalent to an APO Summicron SL lens. Stopped down to around f/5.6 the Sigma primes are very sharp but shot wide open, the rendering is different and no where near as sharp as what you’ll get out of an APO SL prime. Probably true in many cases. In Sean Reids very interesting test of L-mount 50mm lenses, one lens stood out: APO SL 2.0/50mm. It was best in most categories, but was beaten by one lens in corner sharpness. Which one? Sigma Art 1.4/50mm. The SL 1.4/50 is no better than the competition (Sigma and Panasonic). But overall: APO 2/50 SL is the nr. 1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeleElmar135mm Posted February 25, 2022 Share #5 Posted February 25, 2022 vor 11 Minuten schrieb Ivar B: Probably true in many cases. In Sean Reids very interesting test of L-mount 50mm lenses, one lens stood out: APO SL 2.0/50mm. It was best in most categories, but was beaten by one lens in corner sharpness. Which one? Sigma Art 1.4/50mm. The SL 1.4/50 is no better than the competition (Sigma and Panasonic). But overall: APO 2/50 SL is the nr. 1. I agree - and had another hint. In Cameralabs the Sigma I 65mm was tested against the 50mm Art. The corners of the 50 were miles behind the 65mm. So we can hope that the 50mm Art for origin L-mount (in the moment the 50mm Art is HSM not DG DN) makes also a big jump forward in terms of corner sharpness. https://www.cameralabs.com/sigma-65mm-f2-dg-dn-review/2/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrp Posted February 25, 2022 Share #6 Posted February 25, 2022 The basic problem with this type of testing is that it seems to assume a flat field of focus. See eg https://www.dpreview.com/opinion/4042117089/roger-cicala-why-i-dont-use-an-mtf-bench-to-test-my-own-lenses Topaz Labs Sharpen leads to an improvement at the edges, trying multi-shot with the 50mm SL Summicron even at f4 at longer distances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin Cato Posted February 26, 2022 Share #7 Posted February 26, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) The SL 50 1.4 might not be sharper than a sigma when examining 100% crops, but it sure as heck looks better in the overall end result. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivar B Posted February 26, 2022 Share #8 Posted February 26, 2022 6 hours ago, Gavin Cato said: The SL 50 1.4 might not be sharper than a sigma when examining 100% crops, but it sure as heck looks better in the overall end result. Perhaps so, but this is not an opinion shared by all. I don`t own the Sigma lens so I have not tested. I owned the SL 1.4/50 and the Panasonic S 1.4/50, and after some testing I decided to keep the Panasonic. Optically it is in no way inferior, and the autofocus is better. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivar B Posted February 26, 2022 Share #9 Posted February 26, 2022 12 hours ago, TeleElmar135mm said: I agree - and had another hint. In Cameralabs the Sigma I 65mm was tested against the 50mm Art. The corners of the 50 were miles behind the 65mm. So we can hope that the 50mm Art for origin L-mount (in the moment the 50mm Art is HSM not DG DN) makes also a big jump forward in terms of corner sharpness. https://www.cameralabs.com/sigma-65mm-f2-dg-dn-review/2/ Interesting review. I guess that Sigma will offer an 1.4/50 DG DN in the not too distant future. I own the 1.4/85 DG DN which is a fantastic lens, but it needs software optimization. This is also the case for the Leica SL 1.4/50, but the APO SL Leica lenses seem to produce a perfect result with no need for optmization. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoreserve Posted February 26, 2022 Share #10 Posted February 26, 2022 vor 2 Stunden schrieb Ivar B: . vor 2 Stunden schrieb Ivar B: but the APO SL Leica lenses seem to produce a perfect result with no need for optmization. Indeed - except the current Apo SL 28...(and maybe also the upcoming 24&21)... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planetwide Posted February 26, 2022 Share #11 Posted February 26, 2022 (edited) Interesting, my L 28mm is exceptionally good. I really hope that they bring the 21mm out. Edited February 26, 2022 by Planetwide 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
beewee Posted February 26, 2022 Share #12 Posted February 26, 2022 My 28 APO SL is pretty much flawless wide open and out to the extreme corners. My only complaint is that it’s doesn’t have a 24mm or 21mm focal length. 🤣 Not sure why people think the 28 APO is somehow inferior compared to other APO SL primes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted February 27, 2022 Share #13 Posted February 27, 2022 5 hours ago, beewee said: Not sure why people think the 28 APO is somehow inferior compared to other APO SL primes. As Jono notes, distortion is probably corrected in software. This is the way I interpreted the ‘needs optimization’ comment above. https://www.slack.co.uk/28-summicron-sl.html Jeff 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoreserve Posted February 27, 2022 Share #14 Posted February 27, 2022 vor 6 Stunden schrieb Jeff S: As Jono notes, distortion is probably corrected in software. This is the way I interpreted the ‘needs optimization’ comment above. https://www.slack.co.uk/28-summicron-sl.html Jeff Exactly. Don't get me wrong - the SL 28 is a fantastic lens (like all SL Apo's), which I'm using extensively! But looking at the DNG's imported in LR you will notice LR's info, that a "correction profile" is embedded. Only the 3 Varios and the SL Summilux 50 have this correction profile embedded - and just now the first Apo Summicron wide angle lens, the SL 28. Will it be also the case regarding the upcoming super wide angle lenses 24/21? I suppose so! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheekz4dayz Posted February 27, 2022 Share #15 Posted February 27, 2022 10 minutes ago, panoreserve said: Exactly. Don't get me wrong - the SL 28 is a fantastic lens (like all SL Apo's), which I'm using extensively! But looking at the DNG's imported in LR you will notice LR's info, that a "correction profile" is embedded. Only the 3 Varios and the SL Summilux 50 have this correction profile embedded - and just now the first Apo Summicron wide angle lens, the SL 28. Will it be also the case regarding the upcoming super wide angle lenses 24/21? I suppose so! If I remember correctly wide angle lenses need software correction due to their natural fov which leads to distortion. I'm obviously not a lens designer and folks feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but I thought it's inherit in focal lengths wider than 35mm To the op I definitely can't wait to see the Leica 21 and 24. Hopefully the 24 can do close focus lol ala Fujifilm xf 16mm 1.4. Ok ignore me I'm just dreaming and trying to recreate my first love on the Leica system 😂 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrFriendly Posted February 27, 2022 Share #16 Posted February 27, 2022 On 2/23/2022 at 9:41 PM, Virob said: The last two SL primes were released in the month of February. The 35/2 in February 2019 and the 28/2 in February 2021. The 28, 24 and 21 were promised for 2020. Do we have to wait until February 2023/2025 for the next announcements, or are there any rumblings of something happening “soon”? If not, I’ll order the Sigma 20/2 dg dn when it is available in March and move on. Weren't those SL lenses delayed for two years mainly because of a flue? Considering how World War Last just got started, I anticipate more delays and shortages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted February 27, 2022 Share #17 Posted February 27, 2022 25 minutes ago, MrFriendly said: Weren't those SL lenses delayed for two years mainly because of a flue? It didn't stop other companies though. Why is Leica more affected than others? Sigma has released about 10 lenses in the last 24 months Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrFriendly Posted February 27, 2022 Share #18 Posted February 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, Simone_DF said: It didn't stop other companies though. Why is Leica more affected than others? Sigma has released about 10 lenses in the last 24 months Do you really want to know why? Because of this guy in the video, he spent over forty minutes just polish that thing. Can you imagine how much longer it took him to do his job, while having to wear a mask, follow new protocols, etc, etc,...? https://youtu.be/PpSMW5H7FPQ 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted February 27, 2022 Share #19 Posted February 27, 2022 Just now, MrFriendly said: Do you really want to know why? Because of this guy in the video, he spent over forty minutes just polish that thing. Can you imagine how much longer it took him to do his job, while having to wear a mask, follow new protocols, etc, etc,...? https://youtu.be/PpSMW5H7FPQ And the rest of the world is not following similar protocols? Japan is still in semi lockdown for example Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrFriendly Posted February 27, 2022 Share #20 Posted February 27, 2022 8 minutes ago, Simone_DF said: And the rest of the world is not following similar protocols? Japan is still in semi lockdown for example Do what I did, get the 24mm Summilux-M or the 24mm Elmar-M and be happy, those two are awesome lenses. They will keep you happy until the APO shows up. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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