Leica APS-C -- No more!

[lct]

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I use a Fujifilm "M mount adapter for X mount" on my X-E2. Works fine with M lenses but it is not made for L or TL lenses obviously. I don't quite understand why CL users want to sell their camera but Fuji is certainly a good choice as APS-only camera with interchangeable lenses. I have not much experience with Fuji lenses but the 35/2 i got with the X-E2 is very good indeed.

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[Enrique Santa]

20 minutes ago, lct said:

Sorry Enrique but i don't understand what you mean. Could i use my Sigma 18-50/2.8 L lens on another L-mount camera? Simple question i believe...

Please don't insist. Do you work for Leica?, this is the only way I could understand in asking the same quaestion in every post..and you know exactly the answer. 

L mount is able to admit any L mount lens, but it has no sense at all to mount an APCS lens in say...SL2, 3 times heavier, with double price of CL and croped mode. So NO my friend, there are no bodies that you can use your Leica APSC lenses. 

[Enrique Santa]

10 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said:

I think you are the one missing something. I have used TL lenses on my Sigma fp and my SL2-S. They work fine.

Good for you¡, I'm not going to buy an SL2 that is double price than CL or FP with LESS resolution than the CL.  FPL is perhaps the way to go, but for me it is still a cam under development. Perhaps the next model could have a best AF , powerful batteries and an integrated evf.

And all of this....for a cropped mode¡¡¡

[LocalHero1953]

1 minute ago, Enrique Santa said:

Good for you¡, I'm not going to buy an SL2 that is double price than CL or FP with LESS resolution than the CL.  FPL is perhaps the way to go, but for me it is still a cam under development. Perhaps the next model could have a best AF , powerful batteries and an integrated evf.

And all of this....for a cropped mode¡¡¡

A CL is a cropped mode camera - that's what APS-C does.

Chill, just use your CL with TL lenses (that is what I'm doing) or sell the lot - if others choose a different approach, how does that harm you?

[lct]

1 minute ago, Enrique Santa said:

Please don't insist. Do you work for Leica?, this is the only way I could understand in asking the same quaestion in every post..and you know exactly the answer. 

L mount is able to admit any L mount lens, but it has no sense at all to mount an APCS lens in say...SL2, 3 times heavier, with double price of CL and croped mode. So NO my friend, there are no bodies that you can use your Leica APSC lenses. 

I don't work for Leica, Sony, Fuji, or other camera makers i've been dealing with in half a century, although i have a preference for Leica, but your statement seems to express a subjective preference more than the objective truth, so to speak, according to what @LocalHero1953 wrote above at least. I know what i would do if my CL was lost or stolen i would buy another one new or pre-owned immediately but i could be tempted by the little Sigma in 4 or 5 years if Leica does not offer a more compact SL by then. YMMV.

[Enrique Santa]

32 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said: - if others choose a different approach, how does that harm you?

Nothing my friend, absolutly nothing. BUT please don't sell me yours. I bought my CL  hopping it will be my last system and now that hope is gone and I don't see any other solution from Leica ( still without saying a word) different from buy them an SL2.

[Enrique Santa]

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49 minutes ago, lct said:

I don't work for Leica, Sony, Fuji, or other camera makers i've been dealing with in half a century, although i have a preference for Leica, but your statement seems to express a subjective preference more than the objective truth, so to speak, according to what @LocalHero1953 wrote above at least. I know what i would do if my CL was lost or stolen i would buy another one new or pre-owned immediately but i could be tempted by the little Sigma in 4 or 5 years if Leica does not offer a more compact SL by then. YMMV.

Agree with you even in the" half a Century"😁. I also think my next cam will be a FP L sucessor more likely than a improbable Leica solution that I expect bigger an a lot more expensive than SIGMA. But the truth is that Leica seems to don't be woorried at all for CL users.

I disagree with you in one point, if my CL kit where Stolen I never would buy another CL and lenses. Leica is forcing us to go FF, with no consideration, so no more Leica for me , I will look at Sigma and their excellent tiny lenses and cams. Sigma also seems to hear their customers.

Edited April 12, 2022 by Enrique Santa

[lct]

2 minutes ago, Enrique Santa said:

Agree with you even in the" half a Century"😁. I also think my next cam will be a FP L sucessor more likely than a improbable Leica solution that I expect bigger an a lot more expensive that SIGMA. But the truth is that Leica seems to don't be woorried at all for CL users.

I disagree with you in one point, if my CL kit where Stolen I never would buy another CL and lenses. Leica is forcing us to go FF, with no consideration, so no more Leica for me , I will look at Sigma and their excellent tiny lenses and cams.

Several R users were angry on Leica as well. I was not because i knew the R demise was inevitable soon or late. Same about the CL but I don't want to stir the pot . Now some R users were wise enough to keep their R lenses and can use them on Leica and non Leica mirrorless cameras now. 

[jaapv]

53 minutes ago, Enrique Santa said:

Nothing my friend, absolutly nothing. BUT please don't sell me yours. I bought my CL  hopping it will be my last system and now that hope is gone and I don't see any other solution from Leica ( still without saying a word) different from buy them an SL2.

Has the CL broken down then? Is there something wrong with the images you take?  If not - what is your worry beyond the next new shiny thing. A Baboon will throw away its half-eaten fruit and reach for the next ripe one. Aren't we better than Baboons?

[Le Chef]

7 hours ago, Checkers said:

Just use them—-it’s a no-brainer.  🙂

It’s what I’m doing, until they fall apart.

[Enrique Santa]

35 minutes ago, jaapv said:

Has the CL broken down then? Is there something wrong with the images you take?  If not - what is your worry beyond the next new shiny thing. A Baboon will throw away its half-eaten fruit and reach for the next ripe one. Aren't we better than Baboons?

I could imagine the baboons are confident in their tree full of fruits. I will be also more confident if I could see any fruit in the Leica tree, but it's seems that the plant is dead. Like I said before I bought my CL and lenses confident in Leica to be my last system. I would like some new lenses coming, some new cam with better features, no for buying them in a day, in a month or in a year, but for the fact that the system is alive and improving.

Don' t get me wrong I'm not a compulsive buyer I still own my first D 18 Martin guitar near 50 years old, but the Martin and the wood improves her sound with the years, a Digicam no , it needs a replacement from time to time, but we will have no replacement.

And last I'm not a rich man, for me the CL and lenses where a big effort...I'm retired so this was my jubilation present . Now I have two options keep the system and enjoy it (I do this everyday) until the Cl fails and find that still I have some lens that worth nothing, or sell all the kit now and go into another system. I don't like it at all because the CL is the best cam I ever have  , but is the most practical thing I could do. 

[grick]

3 hours ago, Enrique Santa said:

Does anybody know something about this adapter?. I have asked several times at the seller and he have asked also to the manufacturer, it seems that is for L mount to Fuji XF mount. At the moment I don't own a Fuji body, but I'll buy it if it can be used  in a second  since I owned a Fuji E X 2S and it was a nice cam, it seems to wide.... Here is the link

I would never consider buying that. Look at the writing on the side of it, “FX - LM”. Fujifilm uses “xf” not “FX”. And the title says “Tightly connected frameless volume”. It comes from Shenzhen, China direct. I’d be afraid that you’d attach your L mount lens to this and it would be TIGHTLY connected and you would end up damaging something just to get it off. It appears to be another shoddy Chinese product.

 Greg 

[lct]

40 minutes ago, Enrique Santa said:

Now I have two options keep the system and enjoy it (I do this everyday) until the Cl fails and find that still I have some lens that worth nothing, or sell all the kit now and go into another system. I don't like it at all because the CL is the best cam I ever have  , but is the most practical thing I could do.

Why would your Leica lenses worth nothing? They should keep their resale value much better than any Fuji or Sony lens if i judge by my own M and R lenses.

[LocalHero1953]

FWIW I have just sold my 18-56TL. Not particularly to do with any discontinuation of the CL, but just because I haven't used it in ages, and my lenses have to earn their keep in photos or they go out. I was aware, though, that, along with the 18TL, it is probably the least loved of the TL lenses, so might be the hardest to dispose of in the long term. I retain the 11-23TL, 35TL and 60TL, which all get a lot of use.

I could raise little interest on ebay, even after multiple relistings and a price drop, but a dealer offered me more than I would have received after postage and ebay fees.   

Edited April 12, 2022 by LocalHero1953

[lct]

2 hours ago, grick said:

I would never consider buying that. Look at the writing on the side of it, “FX - LM”. Fujifilm uses “xf” not “FX”. And the title says “Tightly connected frameless volume”. It comes from Shenzhen, China direct. I’d be afraid that you’d attach your L mount lens to this and it would be TIGHTLY connected and you would end up damaging something just to get it off. It appears to be another shoddy Chinese product.

Kipon makes adapters like that (link). They are made for Leica M (not L) lenses to Fuji X-mount cameras. The lens shown on e**y is an M lens BTW (Elmar 50/2.8).

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[wlaidlaw]

We talked about the demise of the CL/APS line at the AGM of the Leica Society over the week-end. Nearly everyone felt it was a mistake and everyone who already owned a CL, said they would have given serious consideration to buying a CL-2 with more advanced features, the most requested being image stabilisation, with increased dynamic range/better high ISO  performance being the second request. Most like me use the CL as a travel camera, where its light weight and flexibility of the zoom lens, is particularly appreciated by the more decrepit of us. 

Paul's news about the lack of interest in the small format lenses is unwelcome news, as I was going to sell my 11-23 and 18mm pancake, as I have rarely used them. 

Wilson

[Enrique Santa]

1 hour ago, lct said:

Why would your Leica lenses worth nothing? They should keep their resale value much better than any Fuji or Sony lens if i judge by my own M and R lenses.

I feel like I'm talking to a wall...😁. Fuji Lenses or Sony lenses have plenty of camera bodies for use them and they are pretty alive systems. Leica apsc is a dead system, and everybody knows it. Ok you can use the lens in an SL  but it seems to me absurd to spend 6.000€ in a ff cam to mount in it a croped sensor cam. In five years all CL will be finishing their live cicle and the only way to sell the lenses will be to L mount ff users with a great depreciation....same as R lens have. M lens keep their prices but R are cheap...take a look in ebay or whatever seller you choose. 

Another explanation....Fuji have a wide market of used lens because you have a wide market of new or old Fuji cams. As wide is the market you have more oportunitties to sell your lenses for a good price. Leica is top noch in lens but apsc market for their lens is quite small, ultra thin I mean and with the time with CL and TL dying will be ever thinner, so the only way to sell your lens will be at a trash price. 

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[Enrique Santa]

32 minutes ago, lct said:

Kipon makes adapters like that (link). They are made for Leica M (not L) lenses to Fuji X-mount cameras. The lens shown on e**y is an M lens BTW (Elmar 50/2.8).

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Yes I know, but the advice is for L mount. It's really strange because the pic as you said and second because we only have 2,3mm to adapt the L lens to a Fuji mount and the adapter looks wider. For that reason I have contacted with the seller and he tells me is an L mount to Fuji Xf for sure. Not confident at all with the seller and less with the product....but it was a very little hope.

Edited April 12, 2022 by Enrique Santa

[wlaidlaw]

R lenses cheap?  No they're not. Some are very popular with videographers and the prices of many are greater than they cost new in period. The sought after lenses are the 35, 50 and 80mm Summiluxes, the 15mm and 19mm Elmarits, the 28-90 Vario Elmarit, the 21-35 Vario-Elmar and the various APO long lenses plus others. 

Wilson