Leica APS-C -- No more!

[jaapv]

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4 hours ago, Enrique Santa said:

The topic, if I don't read bad is "Leica apsc cameras no more". So yes we are talking about Leica apsc and apsc alternatives, if any.

Only if one is sensor-format centric, which most of us are not. 

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[Enrique Santa]

7 minutes ago, jaapv said:

Only if one is sensor-format centric, which most of us are not. 

The thread is clear. APSC LEICA. You have of couse a valid interpretation of it, but it's just an interpretation. 

[Enrique Santa]

49 minutes ago, JHPINLA said:

Firmware Upgrades for Leica M10 family, SL2 und Q2

 

Leica today introduced new firmware for three product systems. You can find all the information here!

 

 

And here we go again!  Some of the changes must be suitable/applicable to the CL.

Please can you post the link?

[Enrique Santa]

1 hour ago, wlaidlaw said:

You appear to both have a very thin skin combined with a confrontational outlook. 

 

Amen.

[adan]

11 hours ago, Enrique Santa said:

Please can you post the link?

https://leica-camera.com/en-US/downloads?field_media_document_topic=1074&field_media_document_language=984

Includes links to .pdf descriptions/instructions of what the new firmware does, as well as links to download the actual firmware itself.

CL/TL (no descriptions, may not be new FW) - see page 4

SL2

_NEW: Direct setting of ISO sensitivity via thumbwheel/front dial

_NEW: Configurable time before automatic WLAN shutdown ( Wi-Fi Sleep Mode )

_NEW: Photo and video tagging via joystick

_ADVANCED: Additional function support for L-Mount-Alliance lenses

_ADVANCED: Additional functions for direct access via FN button

_IMPROVED: AF metering method Person Detection allows the selection of the primarily focused eye

_IMPROVED: ISO settings in finer increments (1⁄2EV or 1⁄3EV)

_IMPROVED: Power saving mode can be completely deactivated (no AF system shutdown when recording via HDMI)

_IMPROVED: Bugfixes in the firmware

PHOTO

_NEW: Quick change of AF metering position between most recently used position and image center
_NEW: Exposure and depth of field preview
_IMPROVED: Geotagging (via Leica FOTOS)

VIDEO

_IMPROVED: Aperture setting in T-stops (1⁄2 and 1⁄3 increments) in Cine Mode
_IMPROVED: HDMI output compatibility with Leica FOTOS
_IMPROVED: HDMI output compatibility with USB connection

M10 variants

_ADVANCED: Compatibility with the new Leica Visoflex 2

Q2/QM2

_NEW: Exposure metering method Highlight-Weighted
_NEW:  iDR  (Intelligent Dynamic Range) for the optimization of darker areas
_NEW: Firmware update via Leica FOTOS
_IMPROVED: In Playback mode, sorting will occur strictly by recording date
_IMPROVED: Bluetooth connection was optimized
_IMPROVED: Geotagging (via Leica FOTOS)
_EXTENDED: Image properties
_EXTENDED: Video formats
_EXTENDED: Data management

 

Edited May 6, 2022 by adan

[gotium]

Looks like Canon is about to announce a new APS-C line, may be worth a look?

Anyone like Nikon's Z7 series? Yes, much bigger than the CL, but nowhere near the heft of the SL line, and the lens lineup looks attractive. 

[nicci78]

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So when Leica is silently killing its APS line up, Canon will reboot theirs with crop sensor R7 and R10 ! 

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35 minutes ago, nicci78 said:

So when Leica is silently killing its APS line up, Canon will reboot theirs with crop sensor R7 and R10 ! 

Not a Leica prices i guess.

[nicci78]

Leica should pay attention.

Only 3 long lasting DSLR mount : Nikon F, Pentax K and Canon EF. 
All three has in common native cross compatibility between APS-C and 24x36. 

Today Sony replicated the same formula with E/FE mount. Nikon did the same with Z mount. And Canon will ditch their “too small for full frame” EOS-M mount for APS-C RF cameras.

L-mount alliance should pay attention. Long lasting mount may require a mount covering APS-C and 24x36 !! 
Panasonic has no easy upgrade path from m4/3 to full frame L-mount. 
Leica has it ! But prefer to ditch it ! Silly! 
Sigma should have launched APS-C Foveon L-mount camera first instead of waiting for über delayed full frame version.

Fujifilm with its too small for full frame X-mount, will face difficulties to upgrade their customers from APS-C to small MF 33x44 

Sony, Nikon and Canon will be in the best situation to dominate mirrorless. 

 

[adan]

3 hours ago, nicci78 said:

Only 3 long lasting DSLR mount : Nikon F, Pentax K and Canon EF. 

"Long-lasting" is a relative term. The Canon EF mount is only 35 years old (even Leica R made it to 45 years - and was briefly a DSLR mount ) .

And Canon ticked off their entire interchangeable-lens user base when they dumped the FL/FD mount. Only thing that saved them was that Nikon was behind the curve in AF technology.

[nicci78]

I am just talking about the digital age. 
Key of success is certainly the choice between APS-C and Full Frame. 
They complement each other. 
 

Edited May 16, 2022 by nicci78

[jaapv]

14 hours ago, nicci78 said:

L-mount alliance should pay attention. Long lasting mount may require a mount covering APS-C and 24x36 !! 

Umm.. last time I looked the L mount worked with both my APS-C lenses and FF ones, and with cameras the same. You have me puzzled. There is nothing stopping any L mount alliance member offering one in the future either, and they possibly will - Panasonic appears to me to be the most likely candidate.

[Simone_DF]

33 minutes ago, jaapv said:

Panasonic appears to me to be the most likely candidate.

Panasonic won't touch their beloved m4/3 line

[jaapv]

Panasonic already expressed doubts a few years ago. They may well enhance their video commitment for MFT and move into APS C for stills-oriented cameras. And they would be able to sell rebadged  cameras to Leica. 

[nicci78]

for marketing reasons, it will be impossible for Panasonic to launch APS-C cameras. Without alienating its m4/3 faithful crowd. 

It will look like killing m4/3 which is not a good sign. 

[Simone_DF]

7 hours ago, jaapv said:

Panasonic already expressed doubts a few years ago. They may well enhance their video commitment for MFT and move into APS C for stills-oriented cameras. And they would be able to sell rebadged  cameras to Leica. 

That's unlikely. Panasonic is heavily focused on video, not on stills. The only stills-oriented camera in Panasonic's lineup is the S1R, and that was not exaclty a success.

[jaapv]

S5 andS1 are perfect dual-purpose as was the GX series. 

[jaapv]

1 hour ago, nicci78 said:

for marketing reasons, it will be impossible for Panasonic to launch APS-C cameras. Without alienating its m4/3 faithful crowd. 

It will look like killing m4/3 which is not a good sign. 

But a very good idea. The last iteration of the sensor was quite good at introduction. but not on the level of the CL and I doubt that there is much room for improvement left. If they stick with the format they will lose the quality race. 

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[jpreisch]

I'm still getting great images out of my discontinued CL.  What's the problem?

[Le Chef]

55 minutes ago, jpreisch said:

I'm still getting great images out of my discontinued CL.  What's the problem?

The issue is not with the product, but with the company’s lack of communication and the implications for future products that work with the TL lenses.