Interesting article about Nikon f/0.95 lens

[Ornello]

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I didn't know where to put this. I think there are some issues raised here that relate to Leica's Noctilux lenses:

https://petapixel.com/2019/10/11/the-negative-reaction-to-nikons-noct-lens-is-a-symptom-of-a-much-larger-problem/

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[Capuccino-Muffin]

I have rarely read such an empty article.

 

[Luke_Miller]

Start with a false premise and then build your argument around it.  The Z6 and Z7 are consumer/prosumer models (the Z9 is the pro model) and the Z lenses released to date are consistent with that.  The fact that the Noct-Nikkor can be used with the Z6/Z7 does not make them pro bodies any more than mounting a Noctilux makes the Leica CL one.

[andybarton]

On 1/28/2022 at 4:54 PM, Ornello said:

I didn't know where to put this. I think there are some issues raised here that relate to Leica's Noctilux lenses:

https://petapixel.com/2019/10/11/the-negative-reaction-to-nikons-noct-lens-is-a-symptom-of-a-much-larger-problem/

The most interesting piece in that article is about the Burj Khalifa

[aksclix]

17 hours ago, Luke_Miller said:

Start with a false premise and then build your argument around it.  The Z6 and Z7 are consumer/prosumer models (the Z9 is the pro model) and the Z lenses released to date are consistent with that.  The fact that the Noct-Nikkor can be used with the Z6/Z7 does not make them pro bodies any more than mounting a Noctilux makes the Leica CL one.

Z7ii wasn’t just a prosumer model IMO.. the D850 seemed like a more powerful camera with its AF but the IQ was pretty similar. I see your point though.. Z9 is a big leap ahead of the Z7 series..  

This is quite a dated article though 

[aksclix]

18 minutes ago, andybarton said:

The most interesting piece in that article is about the Burj Khalifa

It’s odd that the analogy took quite some space in the article 🤔

[250swb]

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The article makes some idiotic comparisons and misses the point in other ways. The writer seems to imagine each lens is designed by two or three lens boffins in the Nikon lab and they should have been designing general purpose lenses rather than speciality lenses such as the Noct. Of course Nikon have more than two or three boffins and have the capacity to do research on many things, even lenses they will never release. But if a Noct is ready to sell and fits into the overall roadmap and not just the annual roadmap then why not sell it? If it's the price that worries him well look at the cost of some of Nikons super tele lenses, lenses few will ever need or want. but does that make them expensive mistakes or lenses that fill a niche?

And for the record the Z9 is a different type of pro camera aimed at different users to other Z cameras, and once again Nikon have a long track record of providing pro bodies that fill different niches. The idea that pro photographers only ever use the most expensive and latest equipment is laughable, they use what they can get away with using, the rest of their money goes on feeding the kids.

But what relevance this has to Leica's Noctilux lenses is baffling, what are the 'issues' alluded to?

[stefanusj]

Noct Nikkor or Noctilux or original Noct 58 is a "specialty" lens. maybe the writer is just not special enough? LOL.

[frame-it]

4 hours ago, andybarton said:

The most interesting piece in that article is about the Burj Khalifa

pity they didn't mention the fact it was supposed to be called Burj Dubai, but the name was changed to Burj Khalifa after Abu Dhabi bailed Dubai out of their financial crash " it was renamed the Burj Khalifa at the last minute as a gesture to the Abu Dhabi royal family, who had handed its neighbor a $20 billion debt bailout lifeline "

that would have made this silly article even more surreal.

Edited January 30, 2022 by frame-it

[jaeger]

Nikon OLED on lenses... the only time I look at the lens barrel is doing zone focusing.  A manual dial will do much better job than this fancy toy garbage bling bling.  On the other hands I really dig Fujifilm GFX system that maintain traditional control and feel of photography, and GFX's dynamic range & IQ are far beyond any competitors in the market today.

[insideline]

I am biting my tongue after reading both the attached article which is very very out of date, not accurate and incredibly biased, second as a Leica member who owns 27 M lenses which I began buying new in the early 1970's and have kept, I also own a Nikon Z7ii with S lenses and I have taken the time to carefully take side by side shots with the 50 1.8 S lens and any of my fast 50mm Leica lenses shot on my M10M and the quality of the Nikon system is very close to the files created by the Leica system. If I am honest with myself the biggest differences between the two kits is the build quality of the Leica body and lenses, jewels more like it, but is it a significantly superior imaging tool, no not even close plus I can mount any of my Leica lenses on the Nikon and shoot with ease and obtain lovely photographs. Also the last persons comment that the Fuji's GFX's dynamic range and image quality are far beyond any competitor obviously hasn't shot with a Phase one or Hasselblad. 

In today's photography market there are many amazing tools that provide astonishing photographs, yet the one thing that has not changed is the quality of the photograph still originates with the shooter not the equipment. 

[jaeger]

25 minutes ago, insideline said:

shot with a Phase one or Hasselblad. 

 Phase one has better DR but not at the same price range, hasselblad is near the price range but no or even worst. 

[mmradman]

31 minutes ago, insideline said:

I am biting my tongue after reading both the attached article which is very very out of date, not accurate and incredibly biased, second as a Leica member who owns 27 M lenses which I began buying new in the early 1970's and have kept, I also own a Nikon Z7ii with S lenses and I have taken the time to carefully take side by side shots with the 50 1.8 S lens and any of my fast 50mm Leica lenses shot on my M10M and the quality of the Nikon system is very close to the files created by the Leica system. If I am honest with myself the biggest differences between the two kits is the build quality of the Leica body and lenses, jewels more like it, but is it a significantly superior imaging tool, no not even close plus I can mount any of my Leica lenses on the Nikon and shoot with ease and obtain lovely photographs. Also the last persons comment that the Fuji's GFX's dynamic range and image quality are far beyond any competitor obviously hasn't shot with a Phase one or Hasselblad. 

In today's photography market there are many amazing tools that provide astonishing photographs, yet the one thing that has not changed is the quality of the photograph still originates with the shooter not the equipment. 

Before Leica I was using Nikon F, fast Nikkor 35 and 50mm AiS and AF-D lenses brilliant when stoped down but never impressed me at maximum aperture, reason I ventured into Leica universe.  I use Z7, with Nikkor Z 50mm f1.8 optical quality is on par with best Leica M 50mm, APO Summicron M 50mm being one, both comparable max aperture.

[aksclix]

29 minutes ago, mmradman said:

Before Leica I was using Nikon F, fast Nikkor 35 and 50mm AiS and AF-D lenses brilliant when stoped down but never impressed me at maximum aperture, reason I ventured into Leica universe.  I use Z7, with Nikkor Z 50mm f1.8 optical quality is on par with best Leica M 50mm, APO Summicron M 50mm being one, both comparable max aperture.

I haven’t shot with M lenses but I can say with confidence that the S line Nikkor lenses albeit their modest 1.8 max aperture are incredibly good! I just have the z7 with  14-30 and the macro 105.. don’t know how you’d beat that quality you get from the z 105 macro

[aksclix]

1 hour ago, insideline said:

Also the last persons comment that the Fuji's GFX's dynamic range and image quality are far beyond any competitor obviously hasn't shot with a Phase one or Hasselblad. 

Agree with your other insights but not this one.. because, phase one is NOT a competitor.. if they are then I guess they lose by a big margin in terms of sales! It’s just become even more niche with the introduction of the 100 and the 100s. 
 

Hasselblad x1d does have a killer dynamic range.. I don’t disagree with this comparison.. although I haven’t quite tested the DR in an attempt to compare the 2 systems.. I have both and I haven’t been disappointed with the DR on either systems 

[Ornello]

12 hours ago, 250swb said:

 

And for the record the Z9 is a different type of pro camera aimed at different users to other Z cameras, and once again Nikon have a long track record of providing pro bodies that fill different niches. The idea that pro photographers only ever use the most expensive and latest equipment is laughable, they use what they can get away with using, the rest of their money goes on feeding the kids.

 

Yep, in my experience those are 'dentist' lenses (or undertaker lenses). I do remember back in the 1970s the camera shop where I worked sold a Noctilux (I think it was the 1.0, not the 1.2) to an undertaker. I don't think this guy had a clue about photography, from talking to him. He was kind of creepy.

'Pros' don't buy the latest and greatest. That's a myth.

Edited January 30, 2022 by Ornello

[mmradman]

4 hours ago, aksclix said:

I haven’t shot with M lenses but I can say with confidence that the S line Nikkor lenses albeit their modest 1.8 max aperture are incredibly good! I just have the z7 with  14-30 and the macro 105.. don’t know how you’d beat that quality you get from the z 105 macro

I have 105 Macro on order, they seem to be in awfully short supply.  

I have also compared Nikkor Z 85mm f1.8 which is very rare nowadays Spherical design with APO Summicron M 90mm, Nikkor is spectacular at max aperture and cost about 1/5 of Leica. Main advantage of Leica lens it can be used on both systems. 

In my mind the main advantage of Z over M system not so much the optics, which are consistently spectacular but autofocus and IBIS, I get far more in focus pictures at lowest possible ISO, perhaps Leica M need to consider IBIS after M11. Also improve of focusing, either confirmation or built-in EVF to counter focusing problems that can develop with mechanical system.

 

#Side note for those familiar with mirrorless other than Leica; Despite Z6/7 having poor AF reputation at time of launch I never found them underperforming for my needs.  

[aksclix]

31 minutes ago, mmradman said:

I have 105 Macro on order, they seem to be in awfully short supply.  

I have also compared Nikkor Z 85mm f1.8 which is very rare nowadays Spherical design with APO Summicron M 90mm, Nikkor is spectacular at max aperture and cost about 1/5 of Leica. Main advantage of Leica lens it can be used on both systems. 

In my mind the main advantage of Z over M system not so much the optics, which are consistently spectacular but autofocus and IBIS, I get far more in focus pictures at lowest possible ISO, perhaps Leica M need to consider IBIS after M11. Also improve of focusing, either confirmation or built-in EVF to counter focusing problems that can develop with mechanical system.

 

#Side note for those familiar with mirrorless other than Leica; Despite Z6/7 having poor AF reputation at time of launch I never found them underperforming for my needs.  

Yea the 105 is in high demand and supply is short..  hope you get yours soon! 
 

btw, I do have one M non-Leica lens - voigtlander 40mm f/1.2 

with the Megadap MTZ11, the M lens auto focuses like a charm on my Z7. It’s loud and slow but it works! You should get one if you don’t have it (if interested) 😌 someday I’ll get a Noctilux.. no funds left now! 😌

the Z7 AF did improve after the latest firmware update.. I have other cameras for faster AF so wasn’t really looking at that aspect on the Z7.. 

Edited January 30, 2022 by aksclix

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[mmradman]

46 minutes ago, aksclix said:

Yea the 105 is in high demand and supply is short..  hope you get yours soon! 
 

btw, I do have one M non-Leica lens - voigtlander 40mm f/1.2 

with the Megadap MTZ11, the M lens auto focuses like a charm on my Z7. It’s loud and slow but it works! You should get one if you don’t have it (if interested) 😌 someday I’ll get a Noctilux.. no funds left now! 😌

the Z7 AF did improve after the latest firmware update.. I have other cameras for faster AF so wasn’t really looking at that aspect on the Z7.. 

Actually I prefer manual focus regardless of system but use auto where it is advantageous or I feel lazy. I also prefer quiet camera operation, I’ll pass AF adapters.

M system is excellent system with top pedigree, optimised to work with extended range of classic RF lenses covering 21, 28, 35, 50 and 90mm focal lengths (plus FL in between, like 24/25, 40/43, 73/75).  With exception of niche FL like fisheye, Macro, extreme wide and super telephoto, anyone can photograph almost anything with classic set.

[aksclix]

24 minutes ago, mmradman said:

Actually I prefer manual focus regardless of system but use auto where it is advantageous or I feel lazy. I also prefer quiet camera operation, I’ll pass AF adapters.

M system is excellent system with top pedigree, optimised to work with extended range of classic RF lenses covering 21, 28, 35, 50 and 90mm focal lengths (plus FL in between, like 24/25, 40/43, 73/75).  With exception of niche FL like fisheye, Macro, extreme wide and super telephoto, anyone can photograph almost anything with classic set.

I agree.. manual focusing is a pleasure on lenses like these.. I don’t prefer it because I don’t trust my eyesight but I love using them with focus peaking and zoom-in features..