system update: what do you think if you have M10R and M10M

[setuporg]

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The whole idea of the long-awaited M10M was to enable system compatibility with the M10 line.  Now you could finally take the same charger and batteries when using both!

If you opt to upgrade the M10R to M11, you lose all of that, not even two years after both M10R and M10M were released.  You might wait 3 more years for an M11.

I think this adds additional pressure on the M10R+M owners not to upgrade.

[Jeff S]

I’m not upgrading from the M10-R and M10 Monochrom. It has next to nothing to do with batteries and chargers.  I already have a different battery/charger with the SL2. No big deal for me, as the tools serve different purposes and separate shooting circumstances.  
 

Jeff

[M9reno]

8 minutes ago, setuporg said:

The whole idea of the long-awaited M10M was to enable system compatibility with the M10 line.  Now you could finally take the same charger and batteries when using both!

If you opt to upgrade the M10R to M11, you lose all of that, not even two years after both M10R and M10M were released.  You might wait 3 more years for an M11.

I think this adds additional pressure on the M10R+M owners not to upgrade.

But this is no different from the previous M8/M9 and M240 digital generations.  Hopefully from the M11 generation onwards, body and battery architecture will stabilise and permit cross-generational compatibility with the M12 etc.

[Gobert]

I have this combi. I use (almost) the same menu settings for both M10M and M10R, in which I can find blind my way. 
I might consider upgrading when M11M and M11R will be available, but on the explicit condition that the new systems have proven not being sensor dust collectors.

[Herr Barnack]

I have the M10M for black and white. 

I will get an M11 for color to replace my MP 240.  My Q2 will serve as my backup to my M11.

That's my game plan.

[hdmesa]

It's more of a bummer that we didn't get the Q2/SL2 battery in the M11 than the fact that the M11 battery is different than the M10 battery. My guess is the separate SD card slot just wouldn't fit on the M11, so the combo battery/SD slot was the only viable option.

But let's not kid ourselves that the M10 battery didn't need to change. It absolutely did, IMO.

If I were vested in multiple M10 variants, I'd either just deal with having two different battery types, or I'd wait to upgrade them all at the same time.

[SrMi]

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It's a minor inconvenience, especially since the new battery is much better. Leica changed the battery when going from Q to Q2. That was a good thing to do as well.

[setuporg]

1 hour ago, Herr Barnack said:

I have the M10M for black and white. 

I will get an M11 for color to replace my MP 240.  My Q2 will serve as my backup to my M11.

That's my game plan.

So you’ll need an assistant to carry all the chargers and batteries.

[hdmesa]

4 minutes ago, setuporg said:

So you’ll need an assistant to carry all the chargers and batteries.

They can carry the picnic basket and wine as well.

[Herr Barnack]

1 hour ago, setuporg said:

So you’ll need an assistant to carry all the chargers and batteries.

I was thinking of one of these, but in Leica red:

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[Jon Warwick]

At least this time, unlike the move from M240 to M10, the viewfinder diopter still remains compatible 😃

[setuporg]

1 hour ago, Herr Barnack said:

I was thinking of one of these, but in Leica red:

There's one already!  In Children's English Leica means this!  Also beats that 911 @TheProf mentioned:)

 

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[oka]

With M10R it's easy decision, after testing I will definitely sell it.

With M10M, I haven't decided yet. Yes it's about 1.5-2 stops better than M11, but on high iso it's hard focus with RF and EVF on M10 is quite... To shoot in dark, it's a quite struggle to focus wide open f1,4 or faster (noctilux). Most of the time I stop down to f2 or slower on night / dark scenes, which then makes the 1.5-2 stop advantage meaningless compared to M11. Final decision when I get the new Visioflex 2.

[Stevejack]

I'll be honest - I was worried about the new battery. If they changed the design of the battery and didn't bring with it the significant improvement that we've seen in battery life, I would have been annoyed. I always carried an extra M10 battery in my pocket and it was small and unobtrusive. The new battery is larger and has a bottom plate, not exactly as easy to slip into a pocket and walk with. I haven't used the M11 enough to know how the battery will last in the field, but by all accounts a spare shouldn't be needed for most trips. It might be a few months before I have the chance to use the camera for long enough to actually find out.

90% of my photography happens when I'm out with the family, and I carry a colour camera on those trips. It's only the rare occasion (a few times a year) that I actually go out alone and can make a choice which camera to carry, and when I do it's the M10M. 

I love black and white, and the Monochrom is the best tool for the job. If I wasn't in a position to be able to have both, I would use the M10R or M11 for B+W conversions and not give it a second thought.

[setuporg]

29 minutes ago, Stevejack said:

I always carried an extra M10 battery in my pocket and it was small and unobtrusive

An interesting point!  I have a whole bunch of all Leica batteries (and all the other camera batteries I use), having 2 extras with me is the usual mode and 5 are the norm for a trip that might go through a desert without power outlets.  The M10 batteries are small and pocketable indeed.  You ‘d have to carry a bag if you want M11 spares.

[Stevejack]

19 minutes ago, setuporg said:

An interesting point!  I have a whole bunch of all Leica batteries (and all the other camera batteries I use), having 2 extras with me is the usual mode and 5 are the norm for a trip that might go through a desert without power outlets.  The M10 batteries are small and pocketable indeed.  You ‘d have to carry a bag if you want M11 spares.

Certainly using live-view with the M10M/R would burn through the batteries, so if I was using a 24mm or wider lens I remember only getting a couple of hours out of a charge. I haven't tried any wide lenses on the M11 yet so I've just been using the rangefinder, but with what - a 60% better battery life? I think we'll definitely need a spare still.

A few months back I broke a bunch of ribs and just as I got out of hospital the electricity company shut our power off for a full day while they were doing maintenance. My wife picked up a lithium inverter battery so I could still operate the adjustable bed (I couldn't sit up or shift my weight by myself yet). It's absolutely brilliant, I'll be carrying it with me in the car on camping trips now so I can charge everything. I also hook the telescope + laptop running the capture software up to it and it runs all night long. Cheaper overall than buying a bunch of extra batteries and you can keep everything else topped up as well. Worth a look if you're into long trips off-grid 👍

[SrMi]

40 minutes ago, setuporg said:

An interesting point!  I have a whole bunch of all Leica batteries (and all the other camera batteries I use), having 2 extras with me is the usual mode and 5 are the norm for a trip that might go through a desert without power outlets.  The M10 batteries are small and pocketable indeed.  You ‘d have to carry a bag if you want M11 spares.

According to CIPA testing, an M11 battery should last you three times as long as an M10-R battery. So, instead of six M10-R batteries (5 spares), you would carry two M11 batteries (1 spare). We need more real-world experience to see if the 3x ratio is applicable in practice. My feeling is that the M11 battery lasts much longer than the M10-R battery. 

[pgh]

7 hours ago, hdmesa said:

It's more of a bummer that we didn't get the Q2/SL2 battery in the M11 than the fact that the M11 battery is different than the M10 battery. My guess is the separate SD card slot just wouldn't fit on the M11, so the combo battery/SD slot was the only viable option.

But let's not kid ourselves that the M10 battery didn't need to change. It absolutely did, IMO.

If I were vested in multiple M10 variants, I'd either just deal with having two different battery types, or I'd wait to upgrade them all at the same time.

I've had no problems with the M10 batteries. What's the issue? I rarely use LV so maybe that's why - but they're better than other mirrorless system batteries per my experience. 

That said, everyone should absolutely upgrade - you totally need 60 mp and new metering and all that. It's a revolution. All I've wanted is my m10 with a better sensor for years and I've finally got some cash so plz flood the market with those clunky old M10rs for a pleb like myself. I've already tested - 40 mp looks dang good at my measly 42 inch prints and of course is plenty for NFTs.

[hdmesa]

1 minute ago, pgh said:

I've had no problems with the M10 batteries. What's the issue? I rarely use LV so maybe that's why - but they're better than other mirrorless system batteries per my experience. 

That said, everyone should absolutely upgrade - you totally need 60 mp and new metering and all that. It's a revolution. All I've wanted is my m10 with a better sensor for years and I've finally got some cash so plz flood the market with those clunky old M10rs for a pleb like myself. I've already tested - 40 mp looks dang good at my measly 42 inch prints and of course is plenty for NFTs.

M10-P and -R are the only two cameras I've ever owned where I had to keep my eye on the battery level during a day of casual shooting. If you strictly use the rangefinder and don't review images on the LCD during the day, maybe it's a different experience. At least they are small!

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[setuporg]

36 minutes ago, SrMi said:

According to CIPA testing, an M11 battery should last you three times as long as an M10-R battery. So, instead of six M10-R batteries (5 spares), you would carry two M11 batteries (1 spare). We need more real-world experience to see if the 3x ratio is applicable in practice. My feeling is that the M11 battery lasts much longer than the M10-R battery. 

The problem is, folks will cut their fingers and pants on those unwieldy rectangles in their pockets!:)

Edited January 27, 2022 by setuporg