Pyrogallol Posted February 8, 2022 Share #61 Posted February 8, 2022 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Red Dot cameras had a 8 element version for sale last week that I had looked at. Now it’s gone so I assume someone bought it ! I couldn’t justify buying it as I have 4 of the f2.8 Summarons, in screw and M fit, plus another I inherited. Edited February 8, 2022 by Pyrogallol 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kl@usW. Posted February 8, 2022 Author Share #62 Posted February 8, 2022 vor 7 Stunden schrieb robert_parker: I have owned the 8-Element Summicron in its original LTM format and it's one of the sales that I really regret. I've not had chance to try the 2.8 Summaron but as said by A Noctilux they are very much in the same style, at least in terms of appearance, although the Summicron does indeed perform better at f2 😉👍. There are two main versions of the 8-Element, the earliest (which is the one I owned) focussed to 1m and was made purely in LTM form; they then progressed to a M bayonet version which focussed to 0.75m and some were back converted to LTM and are identifiable by the 0.75m marking. Sadly I've relatively few images taken with the lens having lost a whole batch taken in Paris, mainly on Adox Silvermax but I've attached a couple from the archives for fun here. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Robert, thank you for your nice pictures made with the 8-element ! I now have more of an idea what kind of lens we are speaking of. vor einer Stunde schrieb Pyrogallol: Red Dot cameras had a 8 element version for sale last week that I had looked at. Now it’s gone so I assume someone bought it ! I couldn’t justify buying it as I have 4 of the f2.8 Summarons, in screw and M fit, plus another I inherited. I had a short search in the usual places and think it´s a nice to have, but not a must have lens. I try to see it more from a users than a collectors perspective... and the prices asked help me with that. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted February 8, 2022 Share #63 Posted February 8, 2022 I didn't know that when I first use the LTM Leica, I would be hooked. Best thing is these old LTM lenses can be used with M Leica ( or M mount cameras, mirrorless with right adapter ). I have in LTM mount some old lenses from Canon, Ricoh, etc. with no Leitz/Leica equivalent. I would never know (...bought ! ) them without LTM use in mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert_parker Posted February 8, 2022 Share #64 Posted February 8, 2022 14 hours ago, Pyrogallol said: Red Dot cameras had a 8 element version for sale last week that I had looked at. Now it’s gone so I assume someone bought it ! I couldn’t justify buying it as I have 4 of the f2.8 Summarons, in screw and M fit, plus another I inherited. ...lucky I didn't see that - I'd be having a difficult conversation with the bank manager this week if I had..... 😲📸💸 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert_parker Posted February 8, 2022 Share #65 Posted February 8, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, a.noctilux said: I didn't know that when I first use the LTM Leica, I would be hooked. Best thing is these old LTM lenses can be used with M Leica ( or M mount cameras, mirrorless with right adapter ). I have in LTM mount some old lenses from Canon, Ricoh, etc. with no Leitz/Leica equivalent. I would never know (...bought ! ) them without LTM use in mind. I agree - they are so compelling in the hand - coming back to the 8 -Element Summicron, I like the fact that it produces nice black and white images but also the early 60's colour palette, which is easily enhanced if necessary, that it creates with some colour films Edited February 8, 2022 by robert_parker Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyDog Posted March 8, 2022 Share #66 Posted March 8, 2022 On 1/26/2022 at 5:52 AM, UliWer said: 2. Very late (serial number higher than 750.000) Leica IIf. It has everything the IIIf has, but no long exposure times (see above) and no self timer, which you also don't need. The late IIf were the last "classic" Leica screwmount bodies before (or even at the same time) as the IIIg. So you have a chance to find one in better condition than earlier ones - but cheaper. Thanks for posting this. I recently found a very clean IIf from the second to last batch (820501+) and would not have been aware of this without your thoughtful post. Thanks again! Cheers, Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kl@usW. Posted May 2, 2022 Author Share #67 Posted May 2, 2022 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Just wanted to give a short feedback to all the friendly people whose advice and information I got : The slippery path, I had been warned of, proved to be slippery indeed. I think Oscar Wilde gave us the direction how to deal with temptations... Here is what I did: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! It wasn't my intent to get a Summicron 35 asph as a 35 mm lens in the beginning --it was the end point of the search for a summaron 3,5/ 35 first or second version. After sending back several "mint" copies with haze and/or fungus I decided for the "modern" Cron asph which I bought in the Wetzlar Classic store. It looks more appropriate on my MP, but works fine on the Barnack. What's next ? When my funds have recovered from the "adventure" so far, I might start the search for a clean and period matched 3,5 cm lens... and, since the ii has become my favorite pretty fast, a black II.... but that's not yet decided.. last not least: Our forum member @jerzyrestored and cla´d the bodies and the lenses. The finder of the II is now better than anything else I own and all of the stuff is a pleasure to use. Thank you again, Jerzy. K. PS : 35mm has always been my most used focal length. Now, a bit forced to use the Elmar 50s, I get more and more accustomed to this perspective and find it increasingly attractive.... after all the years .... Edited May 2, 2022 by Kl@usW. 6 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! It wasn't my intent to get a Summicron 35 asph as a 35 mm lens in the beginning --it was the end point of the search for a summaron 3,5/ 35 first or second version. After sending back several "mint" copies with haze and/or fungus I decided for the "modern" Cron asph which I bought in the Wetzlar Classic store. It looks more appropriate on my MP, but works fine on the Barnack. What's next ? When my funds have recovered from the "adventure" so far, I might start the search for a clean and period matched 3,5 cm lens... and, since the ii has become my favorite pretty fast, a black II.... but that's not yet decided.. last not least: Our forum member @jerzyrestored and cla´d the bodies and the lenses. The finder of the II is now better than anything else I own and all of the stuff is a pleasure to use. Thank you again, Jerzy. K. PS : 35mm has always been my most used focal length. Now, a bit forced to use the Elmar 50s, I get more and more accustomed to this perspective and find it increasingly attractive.... after all the years .... ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/329071-what-barnack-should-i-buy/?do=findComment&comment=4427815'>More sharing options...
Matlock Posted May 2, 2022 Share #68 Posted May 2, 2022 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Kl@usW. said: Just wanted to give a short feedback to all the friendly people whose advice and information I got : The slippery path, I had been warned of, proved to be slippery indeed. I think Oscar Wilde gave us the direction how to deal with temptations... Here is what I did: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! It wasn't my intent to get a Summicron 35 asph as a 35 mm lens in the beginning --it was the end point of the search for a summaron 3,5/ 35 first or second version. After sending back several "mint" copies with haze and/or fungus I decided for the "modern" Cron asph which I bought in the Wetzlar Classic store. It looks more appropriate on my MP, but works fine on the Barnack. What's next ? When my funds have recovered from the "adventure" so far, I might start the search for a clean and period matched 3,5 cm lens... and, since the ii has become my favorite pretty fast, a black II.... but that's not yet decided.. last not least: Our forum member @jerzyrestored and cla´d the bodies and the lenses. The finder of the II is now better than anything else I own and all of the stuff is a pleasure to use. Thank you again, Jerzy. K. PS : 35mm has always been my most used focal length. Now, a bit forced to use the Elmar 50s, I get more and more accustomed to this perspective and find it increasingly attractive.... after all the years .... I too have a modern 35mm Summicron which resides on my IIf and, I think, looks the part. How about this though? I have posted it before though. Edited May 2, 2022 by Matlock Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kl@usW. Posted May 2, 2022 Author Share #69 Posted May 2, 2022 vor 12 Minuten schrieb Matlock: I too have a modern 35mm Summicron which resides on my IIf and, I think, looks the part. How about this though? I have posted it before though. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Looks good. I do have a S´lux M 50 asph .... which I rarely use . a pity. Not sure if a second ´lux would help. But then, I might use it on the MP with an adapter... AND it would come in chrome not black... what about the finder obstruction on the IIIf ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock Posted May 2, 2022 Share #70 Posted May 2, 2022 10 minutes ago, Kl@usW. said: Looks good. I do have a S´lux M 50 asph .... which I rarely use . a pity. Not sure if a second ´lux would help. But then, I might use it on the MP with an adapter... AND it would come in chrome not black... what about the finder obstruction on the IIIf ? The finder obstruction is "liveable". The camera is a IIId not a IIIf. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted May 2, 2022 Share #71 Posted May 2, 2022 my favorite 35mm, on iiic,iiif, fuji GFX and SL2S Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/329071-what-barnack-should-i-buy/?do=findComment&comment=4427864'>More sharing options...
Kl@usW. Posted May 2, 2022 Author Share #72 Posted May 2, 2022 vor 2 Minuten schrieb frame-it: my favorite 35mm, on iiic,iiif, fuji GFX and SL2S Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! frame-it; apart from the tiny size, why is it your favorite ? On GFX and SL 2 S---that sound like a steep hill for the age of the lens..... but then, since I don't have a digital camera any more ( except the Canon 5D , which I use a scanner ), I would use the 3,5cm for the Barnack and the MPs only. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted May 2, 2022 Share #73 Posted May 2, 2022 15 minutes ago, Kl@usW. said: frame-it; apart from the tiny size, why is it your favorite ? On GFX and SL 2 S---that sound like a steep hill for the age of the lens..... but then, since I don't have a digital camera any more ( except the Canon 5D , which I use a scanner ), I would use the 3,5cm for the Barnack and the MPs only. gorgeous rendering and yes tiny size gives great results on the SL2S and GFX [on gfx i have to crop the extreme corners a bit] on GFX> Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/329071-what-barnack-should-i-buy/?do=findComment&comment=4427871'>More sharing options...
frame-it Posted May 2, 2022 Share #74 Posted May 2, 2022 on SL2S, super sharp > Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/329071-what-barnack-should-i-buy/?do=findComment&comment=4427872'>More sharing options...
frame-it Posted May 2, 2022 Share #75 Posted May 2, 2022 and on iiif, superia 400 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/329071-what-barnack-should-i-buy/?do=findComment&comment=4427875'>More sharing options...
frame-it Posted May 2, 2022 Share #76 Posted May 2, 2022 (edited) plenty of vintage lens pics in this thread > SL2-S + Leitz Elmar 35mm LTM [1946] Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited May 2, 2022 by frame-it 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/329071-what-barnack-should-i-buy/?do=findComment&comment=4427877'>More sharing options...
Kl@usW. Posted May 3, 2022 Author Share #77 Posted May 3, 2022 Am 2.5.2022 um 13:23 schrieb frame-it: plenty of vintage lens pics in this thread > SL2-S + Leitz Elmar 35mm LTM [1946] Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Thank you, frame-it for the pictures made with the 3,5/3,5 Elmar. I'll scan the the market for a clean copy. It might be the perfect complement for the 5cm Elmars... K. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aryel Posted May 17, 2022 Share #78 Posted May 17, 2022 This is really a great thread. Based on previous threads, I bought a iiif in December and really love it. I am on a slippery slope and now considering a second body. I never use the slow speed and really like the look and size of the model 2 shown in this thread. Are the model 2 without diopters harder to focus for someone wearing glasses? @Kl@usW., hope you do not mind me asking in this thread 😊. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted May 17, 2022 Share #79 Posted May 17, 2022 @Aryel Some II models do have diopter correction, IIf IIc 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anbaric Posted May 17, 2022 Share #80 Posted May 17, 2022 2 hours ago, Aryel said: This is really a great thread. Based on previous threads, I bought a iiif in December and really love it. I am on a slippery slope and now considering a second body. I never use the slow speed and really like the look and size of the model 2 shown in this thread. Are the model 2 without diopters harder to focus for someone wearing glasses? @Kl@usW., hope you do not mind me asking in this thread 😊. In the III/IIIa manual, Leitz calls the adjustable eyepiece a 1.5x 'magnifying telescope system' and claims that it 'considerably facilitates exact and rapid focusing'. I'll leave it to II users to comment on how much difference this makes in practice. The adjuster is not primarily meant for dioptre correction (though the IIIf manual notes it can compensate in the -2 to + 1.5 range), but for focusing the 'telescope' at different distances. One other thing to note about the II is that the VF and RF eyepieces are further apart, which is slightly less convenient. I especially like the IIIb, because it's the last model to retain the slightly smaller size of the pre-war models, but has adjacent eyepieces like the IIIc and later. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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