pippy Posted January 21, 2022 Share #41 Posted January 21, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) 23 minutes ago, 250swb said: I think if you got the legendary 105mm f/2.5 you'd have a full set for everyday photography... The 105mm really is a superb lens for portraiture as is the 85 f1.8 Nikkor-H for a bit of a 'looser' crop if you can find one which has the AI aperture ring. Philip. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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aksclix Posted January 21, 2022 Author Share #42 Posted January 21, 2022 4 minutes ago, Ornello said: How much are you interested in investing? How many lenses do you want or need? What kind of photography interests you? I have way too much digital gear.. more than I need and half of it was purely GAS! I do landscape, portraits, sports, concerts, wildlife primarily.. other genres occasionally when time permits.. If I was going Leica, I wanted just one lens and one camera! For which my budget was around $3k (upper limit) I have some old ef glass, Nikon F glass so it makes sense to buy one of those systems in film for now before getting another Leica.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBestSLIsALeicaflex Posted January 21, 2022 Share #43 Posted January 21, 2022 (edited) Nikon SLR's are generally reliable, plentiful and cheap. The old Nikon F is a great classic mechanical camera, the F100 is a great electronic AF one. The Nikkors that go on them are usually pretty good and inexpensive. Canons are good too. F1, Ftb, take your choice. The FD mount lenses are good and inexpensive. Lots of choices with SLR's. Far as rangefinders, the old Canons and their ltm mount lenses are probably the best bang for the buck. Canon P or 7, something like that. Bronica and Mamiya make good, affordable MF stuff. Typically, when new to film, you'll do a lot of experimenting, to see what works for you, and that can stretch years, and the reason I don't recommend starting with, for example, an expensive Hasselbld, Rollie or Leica rangefinder. You may not like MF, or TLR's or rangefinders, ect. To find what you like, you really have to use the stuff. No way around that; just a process of trial and error. Fortunately, the used market on analog gear is fluid. Assume anything old will need at least an initial service. Then you need to get into doing your own developing and bulk loadings, but that's all a different story. Edited January 21, 2022 by TheBestSLIsALeicaflex 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aksclix Posted January 21, 2022 Author Share #44 Posted January 21, 2022 11 minutes ago, pippy said: I hope you didn't take offence, aksclix, none was intended! Not at all.. 😀 13 minutes ago, pippy said: Colour Reciprocity Failure, on the other hand, isn't quite as forgiving... This scares me a bit tbh.. and the compensation factor is so far from the original exposure.. will read further on they subject later 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted January 21, 2022 Share #45 Posted January 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, aksclix said: ...I have some old ef glass, Nikon F glass... Are your old Nikon lenses AI indexed or do they just have the claw? If they are not AI era and you are thinking of adding a second body then you might look into getting a Nikkormat FTn / FT2 which (with the AI only FT3) were the direct predecessors of the FM and are even more solidly built. They have the advantage of working with practically any F-mount lens as long as it has a claw - and the claw lasted well into the newer AI period. They can also be picked up for very little outlay. Philip. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted January 21, 2022 Share #46 Posted January 21, 2022 If you want to stay in 35mm film photography rather than MF, then I’d agree with the Nikon system suggestion. Great cameras and lenses, and a huge system. However I’d suggest an FM3 (rather than FM) and some Nikkor AIs lenses of your favourite focal lengths. This is a leica forum so if you do want to consider a rangefinder and want advice for a leica film camera then that’ll open another can of worms 🙄 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ornello Posted January 21, 2022 Share #47 Posted January 21, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) 16 minutes ago, aksclix said: I have way too much digital gear.. more than I need and half of it was purely GAS! I do landscape, portraits, sports, concerts, wildlife primarily.. other genres occasionally when time permits.. If I was going Leica, I wanted just one lens and one camera! For which my budget was around $3k (upper limit) I have some old ef glass, Nikon F glass so it makes sense to buy one of those systems in film for now before getting another Leica.. Leicaflex SL2 or R3-R7 with a few lenses would do you well. The range of 180mm lenses is superb, and some are quite light (the 180mm Elmar, for instance). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted January 21, 2022 Share #48 Posted January 21, 2022 4 minutes ago, aksclix said: Not at all.. 😀 This scares me a bit tbh.. and the compensation factor is so far from the original exposure.. will read further on they subject later It’s not scary and that wasn’t my intention when first mentioning it. It’s just that you mentioned not using handheld so I assumed that you would be using a tripod and maybe long exposure photography… you know motion blurred waterfalls and the like Another thing, you mentioned not doing sports photography with a film camera… it’s of course perfectly possible to do. I used to photograph classic car races with the FM2 and obviously professional sports photographers were taking wonderful pictures with film… Louis Klemantastky comes to mind. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aksclix Posted January 21, 2022 Author Share #49 Posted January 21, 2022 17 minutes ago, pippy said: Are your old Nikon lenses AI indexed or do they just have the claw? If they are not AI era and you are thinking of adding a second body then you might look into getting a Nikkormat FTn / FT2 which (with the AI only FT3) were the direct predecessors of the FM and are even more solidly built. They have the advantage of working with practically any F-mount lens as long as it has a claw - and the claw lasted well into the newer AI period. They can also be picked up for very little outlay. Philip. Here’s the 55 (right) and 28(left) not sure if it has the claw you mentioned? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/328815-starter-but-capable-film-camera-for-2022/?do=findComment&comment=4363722'>More sharing options...
aksclix Posted January 21, 2022 Author Share #50 Posted January 21, 2022 10 minutes ago, MarkP said: If you want to stay in 35mm film photography rather than MF, then I’d agree with the Nikon system suggestion. Great cameras and lenses, and a huge system. However I’d suggest an FM3 (rather than FM) and some Nikkor AIs lenses of your favourite focal lengths. This is a leica forum so if you do want to consider a rangefinder and want advice for a leica film camera then that’ll open another can of worms 🙄 I’ll start with the 35 and go MF soon after I feel film is my thing 😌 I am not always patient.. 😑 if I really like it, I’ll buy into the M system 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aksclix Posted January 21, 2022 Author Share #51 Posted January 21, 2022 10 minutes ago, ianman said: It’s not scary and that wasn’t my intention when first mentioning it. It’s just that you mentioned not using handheld so I assumed that you would be using a tripod and maybe long exposure photography… you know motion blurred waterfalls and the like Another thing, you mentioned not doing sports photography with a film camera… it’s of course perfectly possible to do. I used to photograph classic car races with the FM2 and obviously professional sports photographers were taking wonderful pictures with film… Louis Klemantastky comes to mind. I know you didn’t intend to scare me.. since you folks know so much about film.. it comes naturally I guess.. but it’s good you mentioned it! I don’t intend to do sports or action with it is what I meant.. I am buying film to enjoy the process and take my own time to relax and shoot… I have enough digital gear for action so I don’t need to have a film camera capable of doing that as well… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted January 21, 2022 Share #52 Posted January 21, 2022 1 minute ago, aksclix said: Here’s the 55 (right) and 28(left) not sure if it has the claw you mentioned? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! The silver thing screwed on to the aperture ring behind the f8 to f4 marks on the 55mm is the 'claw'. This was used in the early days when the Nikon F camera received the 'Aperture Indexed' metering finders. Putting it very simply there was a horizontally mounted 'pin' which protruded below the finder and this pin dropped into the slot in the middle of the claw. Once the finder / lens was 'indexed' the pin, being dragged from side to side as the aperture was turned, told the meter which aperture was set. Cross-linked to the shutter-speed dial on the finder the meter could then give very accurate TTL metering readings. The pin-system was dropped from the range during the late '70s and early '80s but claws were still fitted on to the majority of lenses for a long time to come. The 28, on the other hand, has the post-AI flange which was used from the same period as mentioned before. The claw and the flange were fitted to lenses simultaneously so older bodies can use the newer claw-equipped lenses but not vice-versa. Philip. EDIT : By way of illustration here is a Nikkormat FTn with the pin located within the claw; Philip. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aksclix Posted January 21, 2022 Author Share #53 Posted January 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, pippy said: The silver thing screwed on to the aperture ring behind the f8 to f4 marks on the 55mm is the 'claw'. This was used in the early days when the Nikon F camera received the 'Aperture Indexed' metering finders. Putting it very simply there was a horizontally mounted 'pin' which protruded below the finder and this pin dropped into the slot in the middle of the claw. Once the finder / lens was 'indexed' the pin, being dragged from side to side as the aperture was turned, told the meter which aperture was set. Cross-linked to the shutter-speed dial on the finder the meter could then give very accurate TTL metering readings. The pin-system was dropped from the range during the late '70s and early '80s but claws were still fitted on to the majority of lenses for a long time to come. The 28, on the other hand, has the post-AI flange which was used from the same period as mentioned before. The claw and the flange were fitted to lenses simultaneously so older bodies can use the newer claw-equipped lenses but not vice-versa. Philip. EDIT : By way of illustration here is a Nikkormat FTn with the pin located within the claw; Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Philip. Thanks for that explanation… 😌 will the 28 not work with the FM2? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted January 21, 2022 Share #54 Posted January 21, 2022 27 minutes ago, aksclix said: Thanks for that explanation… 😌 will the 28 not work with the FM2? Your 28mm will work on Nikon FM2 only manual focus, But your 1.2/55 Nikkor pre AI will not mount on FM2, it will break the fragile AI lever of FM2. You can use it with plain FM, in which the AI lever can be pushed up. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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a.noctilux Posted January 21, 2022 Share #56 Posted January 21, 2022 (edited) The AI lever is under last n (of Nikon) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! link to Nikon FM to see the collapsible AI lever Edited January 21, 2022 by a.noctilux 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! link to Nikon FM to see the collapsible AI lever ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/328815-starter-but-capable-film-camera-for-2022/?do=findComment&comment=4363772'>More sharing options...
pippy Posted January 21, 2022 Share #57 Posted January 21, 2022 (edited) 23 minutes ago, a.noctilux said: ...You can use it with plain FM, in which the AI lever can be pushed up... ...which is precisely why I've been suggesting the FM over the FM2 in this thread. It's a more universally usable body in terms of Nikkor lens availability. Philip. Edited January 21, 2022 by pippy 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
logan2z Posted January 21, 2022 Share #58 Posted January 21, 2022 1 minute ago, pippy said: ...which is precisely why I've been suggesting the FM over the FM2 in this thread. It's a more universally usable body in terms of Nikkor lenses' availability. Philip. +1 and less expensive to boot. A win-win. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted January 21, 2022 Share #59 Posted January 21, 2022 But changing one non-compatible lens out for the overall usability of the AI/AI-S lenses shouldn't be ignored. With the AI-S lenses you are already into the realms of Auto Exposure and even bodies that offer auto film advance. In particular the 28mm AI-S is a considerable optical improvement over the AI version, although these improvements aren't equally significant between all AI and AI-S lenses. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aksclix Posted January 21, 2022 Author Share #60 Posted January 21, 2022 Hm.. ok! 😌 will shop around and see what I get 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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