gotium Posted January 22, 2022 Share #101 Posted January 22, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) 39 minutes ago, setuporg said: suddenly draining battery blurry LED lines in OVF Visoflex 2 flickering like mad eh? is that just you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted January 22, 2022 Posted January 22, 2022 Hi gotium, Take a look here A running tally of M11 complaints so far. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
setuporg Posted January 22, 2022 Author Share #102 Posted January 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, gotium said: eh? is that just you? This thread is for collecting and summarizing all the complaints that have transpired so far. Feel free to add yours or what you see from others and what concerns you. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
setuporg Posted January 22, 2022 Author Share #103 Posted January 22, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, gotium said: It’s too expensive. Or has that come up before? No, this is not a legitimate complaint here. The standard answer is what Sir Winston Churchill wrote back to a young man asking him how to keep up with the high cost of living: “If you find yourself in a situation where your expenses overcome your income, you need to work hard to rapidly and dramatically increase the latter.” Edited January 22, 2022 by setuporg 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted January 22, 2022 Share #104 Posted January 22, 2022 5 hours ago, shirubadanieru said: Very interested now to see what comes out of your tests. @jonoslack the battery report in your review, where you stated you left the power savings off and were able to use it extensively during a full day, seem to be very different from what I’m getting. If you get the chance to chime in would love further input. Hi There Today I started on 100% walked for 3 hours and took around 300 images and it was on 75% (no power saving). I haven't done any events with it (next month!) and I'm not really a machine-gunner in normal circumstances, but my gut reaction is that the battery life is about 3x that of the M10 (you might say that isn't saying much!). Put it another way, I've had the camera since August - I only have one battery - I've shot about 30,000 shots and I've never ever needed to recharge during a day's shooting (but I haven't shot a wedding!) best 5 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmars Posted January 22, 2022 Share #105 Posted January 22, 2022 2 hours on, 80 % left. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEGEND Posted January 22, 2022 Share #106 Posted January 22, 2022 I ordered my M11 on January 15. The silver chrome, with two extra batteries. The camera and one battery had arrived to him in one week. I told him to get the camera out of the box and to do some testing until the second extra battery come and everything can be shipped to me. He told me that he tested the M11 two days, took some photos, used camera like she suppose to be used. Yesterday evening I got the eMail from him and he said that everything is OK with my camera or at least he could't find any problems described here in LUF. I know that is short period for testing but I hope that when she arrive to me, the “problems“ will not “arrive“ with her. I had always get “lucky“ with every Leica camera or lens that I purchased, new or used. Will see if this is still the case... Nikola 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotium Posted January 22, 2022 Share #107 Posted January 22, 2022 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 23 minutes ago, setuporg said: No, this is not a legitimate complaint here. The standard answer is what Sir Winston Churchill wrote back to a young man asking him how to keep up with the high cost of living: “If you find yourself in a situation where your expenses overcome your income, you need to work hard to rapidly and dramatically increase the latter.” Well I don't own one, so I'm not a great source, but from handling one in the shop yesterday 'expensive' would be my big complaint. I guess I'd like the EVF to be even better, but it is probably good enough. Unless it flickers like mad, so I hope that's only yours 😕 Now I'm off to look for work.... Edited January 22, 2022 by gotium 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted January 22, 2022 Share #108 Posted January 22, 2022 (edited) 24 minutes ago, setuporg said: No, this is not a legitimate complaint here. The standard answer is what Sir Winston Churchill wrote back to a young man asking him how to keep up with the high cost of living: “If you find yourself in a situation where your expenses overcome your income, you need to work hard to rapidly and dramatically increase the latter.” I am at a loss to understand the kvetching and moaning over the M11's price. It is not the most expensive camera on the planet. That distinction goes to the $58,990 USD Phase One XT IQ4. The M11 is not even the most expensive Leica - that honor goes to the $19,995 USD S3 (body only). Buy the M11 instead of the S3 and congratulations, you just saved $11,000 USD - and yet the M11 still catches hell. It makes no sense. I give up. Edited January 22, 2022 by Herr Barnack 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Journey Posted January 22, 2022 Share #109 Posted January 22, 2022 16 minutes ago, Herr Barnack said: I am at a loss to understand the kvetching and moaning over the M11's price. It is not the most expensive camera on the planet. That distinction goes to the $58,990 USD Phase One XT IQ4. The M11 is not even the most expensive Leica - that honor goes to the $19,995 USD S3 (body only). Buy the M11 instead of the S3 and congratulations, you just saved $11,000 USD - and yet the M11 still catches hell. It makes no sense. I give up. I wonder if the m10-r caught this much flak at launch. As far as I'm aware, its just the m10-p with a better sensor. I'm just happy the m11 is the same price (at least in the US) for a camera with so many improvements (at least to me). If the m10-r and m11 came out at the same time, I would price the m11 at least 2k higher due to the upgrades since I value them. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted January 22, 2022 Share #110 Posted January 22, 2022 42 minutes ago, Herr Barnack said: I am at a loss to understand the kvetching and moaning over the M11's price. It is not the most expensive camera on the planet. That distinction goes to the $58,990 USD Phase One XT IQ4. The M11 is not even the most expensive Leica - that honor goes to the $19,995 USD S3 (body only). Buy the M11 instead of the S3 and congratulations, you just saved $11,000 USD - and yet the M11 still catches hell. It makes no sense. I give up. It does make sense from a psychological perspective because it's so close to the $10K mark. It's easier to spend $9K on an M lens because you can see those as a lifetime purchase and something you could pass on to family. I do hope Leica makes an M-E version of the M11 at some point, perhaps using the SL2-S sensor. One positive thing about the M11 price – It has me considering a film M. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirubadanieru Posted January 22, 2022 Share #111 Posted January 22, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, jonoslack said: Hi There Today I started on 100% walked for 3 hours and took around 300 images and it was on 75% (no power saving). I haven't done any events with it (next month!) and I'm not really a machine-gunner in normal circumstances, but my gut reaction is that the battery life is about 3x that of the M10 (you might say that isn't saying much!). Put it another way, I've had the camera since August - I only have one battery - I've shot about 30,000 shots and I've never ever needed to recharge during a day's shooting (but I haven't shot a wedding!) best Thank you! your battery life seems indeed to be what I was expecting. Will have to go to Leica, it seems my battery or my camera are faulty. In a similar day as yours, of walking two hours, power saving set to ten minutes, and shooting (on single burst mode) about 100 shots it used 60% so indeed this is strange. In 3 days of very light use I've had to charge it 3 times already. @elmars your battery seems to drain as fast as mine, & much faster than all reviews & leicas statement. you might wanna have it checked too. Edited January 22, 2022 by shirubadanieru Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
setuporg Posted January 22, 2022 Author Share #112 Posted January 22, 2022 file naming (inflexible as in Q2/SL2) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted January 23, 2022 Share #113 Posted January 23, 2022 3 hours ago, hdmesa said: It does make sense from a psychological perspective because it's so close to the $10K mark. 10K is a barrier no doubt. Personally, given the M10 came in at 6.5K initially four or five ears ago and up until recently we've been in a 2% inflationary environment, $9k seems steep, given the RF, assembly in Germany, etc are likely the primary costs involved as they were previously. But the simple fact is that all cameras are going to continue to get more expensive as the volumes continue to drop. If one looks at top line cameras from Sony and Nikon, they are now in the 6.5K range, the Fuji MFs hit the 10K mark. So yeah, its expensive, painfully so, but it remains right on the edge of reasonable for a top line camera. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmars Posted January 23, 2022 Share #114 Posted January 23, 2022 Here another bug is reported. I can replicate it, but only, if auto review is off. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirubadanieru Posted January 23, 2022 Share #115 Posted January 23, 2022 (edited) Found another minor bug. Turned on camera & it said I had 1K free. 30min later, turned it on again (without changing anything or taking photos) & it said 890 free 🤣 screenshots below w/ timestamps. Another one not in the sreenshot, when I turn lens detection off, the menu icon on the top right instead of showing 'off' shows 16 / 28 / 50 (it doesn't fit properly in the icon so I can't read it all). Since the M9 that I've been always an early adopter of leica new cameras with zero issues but this M11 is probably the buggiest of them all..this, on top of the extremely quick battery drain..I hope Leica releases a firmare fix fast... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited January 23, 2022 by shirubadanieru 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/328723-a-running-tally-of-m11-complaints-so-far/?do=findComment&comment=4365212'>More sharing options...
elmars Posted January 23, 2022 Share #116 Posted January 23, 2022 vor 9 Stunden schrieb shirubadanieru: @elmars your battery seems to drain as fast as mine, & much faster than all reviews & leicas statement. you might wanna have it checked too. I did another test: I took 60 photos in 1 hour, 1 photo each minute. Auto review was set to 3 sec. After 1 hour 90 % battery charge was left. This confirms what I said earlier: Most power is taken from just being on. Being on takes 10 % battery power each hour. Shooting (and even short reviewing of 3 sec for each picture) takes not much power. Even if You assume 15 % per hour, You have a steady use of nearly seven hours. I think this we can call a whole days use. So I have nothing to complain. Please don´t count me in for a battery problem. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirubadanieru Posted January 23, 2022 Share #117 Posted January 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, elmars said: I did another test: I took 60 photos in 1 hour, 1 photo each minute. Auto review was set to 3 sec. After 1 hour 90 % battery charge was left. This confirms what I said earlier: Most power is taken from just being on. Being on takes 10 % battery power each hour. Shooting (and even short reviewing of 3 sec for each picture) takes not much power. Even if You assume 15 % per hour, You have a steady use of nearly seven hours. I think this we can call a whole days use. So I have nothing to complain. Please don´t count me in for a battery problem. Thank you for your continuous testing. I will also test it out on my side…but it’s weird that some reviews reportedly said we just leave the camera on because the battery is so strong…I never depleted my M9 battery to below 50% in all the years I’ve used it with my regular use (100~200 pics, 2min auto power off)…so I was shocked when the M11 with the same use case went to 40%. I guess I was expecting to much after reading the reviews and CIPA testing…or my battery is faulty (the finish on my battery is different from the base plate..it’s a much rougher black paint than the rest of the base plate, not sure if this is the norm or if it’s the paint used in the earlier prototype..if so, it might mean I just need to change the battery and try again). Will continue testing and go to Leica to have them check it out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M9reno Posted January 23, 2022 Share #118 Posted January 23, 2022 7 minutes ago, elmars said: I did another test: I took 60 photos in 1 hour, 1 photo each minute. Auto review was set to 3 sec. After 1 hour 90 % battery charge was left. This confirms what I said earlier: Most power is taken from just being on. Being on takes 10 % battery power each hour. Shooting (and even short reviewing of 3 sec for each picture) takes not much power. Even if You assume 15 % per hour, You have a steady use of nearly seven hours. I think this we can call a whole days use. So I have nothing to complain. Please don´t count me in for a battery problem. Seven hours sounds comparable to (or maybe even less than) M240… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Journey Posted January 23, 2022 Share #119 Posted January 23, 2022 24 minutes ago, elmars said: I did another test: I took 60 photos in 1 hour, 1 photo each minute. Auto review was set to 3 sec. After 1 hour 90 % battery charge was left. This confirms what I said earlier: Most power is taken from just being on. Being on takes 10 % battery power each hour. Shooting (and even short reviewing of 3 sec for each picture) takes not much power. Even if You assume 15 % per hour, You have a steady use of nearly seven hours. I think this we can call a whole days use. So I have nothing to complain. Please don´t count me in for a battery problem. was this with EVF or live view on? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01maciel Posted January 23, 2022 Share #120 Posted January 23, 2022 (edited) vor 23 Stunden schrieb shirubadanieru: I’m getting from 100% to 40% after an afternoon out, shooting about 100 shots in DNG M-Size. What is going on?! Interesting. Could you repeat the test and shoot DNG L-Size images? I suppose when shoothing M or S-size the entire photo gets recalculated and downscaled and requires a lot of CPU time. CPU time means battery drain. This process is quite similar to a well known technology in smartphones having more than 40MP. It looks to me like a Leica innovation which popped out of the Huawei smartphone camera partnership. Edited January 23, 2022 by 01maciel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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