Paulus Posted January 14, 2022 Share #1 Posted January 14, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) In the "old days", the M was an often seen reporter camera. The M11 seems to have anything what makes a great reporter camera. A lot of reporters have left the M system in the eighties nineties. I wonder if some of them will return, now that the M system seems to be full-grown. I know of some newspaper reporters in The Netherlands, that they think the whole system was not worth investing in, because the price was to high in comparison with the possibilities. Maybe that will change for the good now. I also wonder if Leica is also aiming for this market, of will the most of the cameras go to private owners? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Herr Barnack Posted March 11, 2022 Share #2 Posted March 11, 2022 IMHO the M11 would make a good reportage camera. A lot of Magnum photographers seem to think the M camera is a good choice for documentary /reportage use. I think the cost will be a stumbling block for a lot of working photojournalists, though. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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FlashGordonPhotography Posted March 11, 2022 Share #4 Posted March 11, 2022 Most "reporters" now just stand there shooting their Sony or Nikon at 25-50fps and pull frames. they may as well be shooting video. Agencies are also sending out journos without a photographer armed with a smart phone. There are certainly some incredibly talented photo journalists still around but their numbers are dwindling and their jobs are under threat from the mastheads who are struggling to adjust to a digiatal world. Eventually video will totally replace photo journalism and most of what you get will be stolen from Facebook or TikTok posts. The M11, with it's high res sensor, long exposure credentials and compact size could move further into the relms of travel and landscape photography. Journalism though, probably not. Gordon 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgh Posted March 11, 2022 Share #5 Posted March 11, 2022 No. Autofocus is a thing. Magnum ppl barely use them anymore, and magnum isn't all globe trotting conflict photographers anymore either (and thank god for that). For the ones that do, the ratio of them using them for fun versus an actual job is probably pretty disparate. And Leica does not care. Photojournalists are too broke to register to them. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
raizans Posted March 12, 2022 Share #6 Posted March 12, 2022 Today's Leica products are generally too expensive for the vast majority of photojournalists. Even if someone wanted to use a rangefinder, they would not be able to. A sad turn of events that should be corrected someday. Higher wages, less precarious labor in the industry on the one side. Leica abandoning the luxury goods strategy, or at least expanding its market on the other. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeicaS2 Posted March 13, 2022 Share #7 Posted March 13, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) The Turnley brothers were in Ukraine and using what looks to be Leica M10’s. In a CNN interview David had two hanging from his chest. If they ever get M11’s it might be for longer battery life and a better buffer on lower resolution. They sure don’t need 60 mg. https://www.instagram.com/tv/Ca7_6KkPBu4/?utm_medium=copy_link Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/328484-couldshould-the-m11-be-the-new-m2m4m6-reporter-camera/?do=findComment&comment=4399760'>More sharing options...
Photoworks Posted March 13, 2022 Share #8 Posted March 13, 2022 3 hours ago, LeicaS2 said: The Turnley brothers were in Ukraine and using what looks to be Leica M10’s. In a CNN interview David had two hanging from his chest. If they ever get M11’s it might be for longer battery life and a better buffer on lower resolution. They sure don’t need 60 mg. https://www.instagram.com/tv/Ca7_6KkPBu4/?utm_medium=copy_link Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! the Botton M10 with 35 Lux is what Peter was using in NYC during the pandemic.. I recognize his lens shade.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knipsknecht Posted March 13, 2022 Share #9 Posted March 13, 2022 I think it depends on what kind of photo journalism we‘re talking about. I have a background in TV- and Online-Journalism and I definitely wouldn’t use a Leica if I had to go to some kind of hotspot. The camera would have to be fast, rugged and reliable, with weather and dust protection, some video capabilities and equipped with zoom lenses and an IBIS, because in such areas one cannot always zoom with the feet (think about a war zone like Ukraine right now). On the other hand, if I would have to produce a story about fading little towns in rural areas or about certain old crafts and craftsmen or about a very specialized tuner of cars or motorcycles, yes, that could be done with a Leica - probably with any Leica. 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted March 15, 2022 Share #10 Posted March 15, 2022 (edited) Quote The Turnley brothers were in Ukraine and using what looks to be Leica M10’s. In a CNN interview David had two hanging from his chest... What these two august gents do is reportage/documentary at its highest level. Quote Most "reporters" now just stand there shooting their Sony or Nikon at 25-50fps and pull frames. they may as well be shooting video. That is a sad excuse for reportage/documentary photography - and it is an embarrassment to these "reporters" and to the profession. JMHO. Edited March 15, 2022 by Herr Barnack 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olaf_ZG Posted March 16, 2022 Share #11 Posted March 16, 2022 21 hours ago, Herr Barnack said: That is a sad excuse for reportage/documentary photography - and it is an embarrassment to these "reporters" and to the profession. JMHO. Most probably I am getting old, but I guess that its fits the audience. the smarter the phones, the dumber the people. No need for real reportage, a tiktok will do. look at all the headlines: it need to be catchy, panic, scandal, whatever, but the story behind doesn’t matter. so, to get on topic, no, the m11 will not be a reporter camera cause the profession is overtaken by a new kind. as said, i am getting old… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Alex_ Posted March 16, 2022 Share #12 Posted March 16, 2022 (edited) Sarah M. Lee shoots for The Guardian with a Leica M, and most recently her hashtags indicate she's using the M11. Google her to find a great number of interviews. Her instagram is @sarahmlee and here website is www.sarahmlee.com. She does wonderful work. I think she's an outlier. The Associated Press has switched completely to Sony, for example. Small cameras with integrated video, superb auto-focus, and stills capability and a large variety of lenses seem to be the more practical for the run-and-gun news shooter that needs to shoot a great variety of assignments. Edited March 16, 2022 by _Alex_ added 2d paragraph. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted March 17, 2022 Share #13 Posted March 17, 2022 Jasper Doest (Instagram) has been shooting for a while with digital M and SL2. His images appear regularly in NatGeo and in Wildlife Photographer of The Year (Natural History Museum) exhibitions. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted March 17, 2022 Share #14 Posted March 17, 2022 8 hours ago, Olaf_ZG said: Most probably I am getting old, but I guess that its fits the audience. the smarter the phones, the dumber the people. No need for real reportage, a tiktok will do. look at all the headlines: it need to be catchy, panic, scandal, whatever, but the story behind doesn’t matter. so, to get on topic, no, the m11 will not be a reporter camera cause the profession is overtaken by a new kind. as said, i am getting old… David Vestal: "Compensating for lack of skill with technology is progress toward mediocrity. As technology advances, craftsmanship recedes... The one thing we've gained is spontaneity, which is useless without perception." 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knipsknecht Posted March 17, 2022 Share #15 Posted March 17, 2022 vor 9 Stunden schrieb Herr Barnack: David Vestal: "Compensating for lack of skill with technology is progress toward mediocrity. As technology advances, craftsmanship recedes... The one thing we've gained is spontaneity, which is useless without perception." ... I really don't like this kind of rant. It's just the old - and wrong - "Everything was better in the past!" chitchat combined with some elitist attitude uttered by people who lost track and got stuck somewhere in the past. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted March 17, 2022 Share #16 Posted March 17, 2022 9 minutes ago, Knipsknecht said: ... I really don't like this kind of rant. It's just the old - and wrong - "Everything was better in the past!" chitchat combined with some elitist attitude uttered by people who lost track and got stuck somewhere in the past. In your opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCPix Posted March 17, 2022 Share #17 Posted March 17, 2022 19 hours ago, Olaf_ZG said: the smarter the phones, the dumber the people. This has to be the quote of the century. Perfect observation! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCPix Posted March 17, 2022 Share #18 Posted March 17, 2022 (edited) . Edited March 17, 2022 by PCPix Delete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgh Posted March 31, 2022 Share #19 Posted March 31, 2022 On 3/15/2022 at 6:31 PM, Herr Barnack said: What these two august gents do is reportage/documentary at its highest level. That is a sad excuse for reportage/documentary photography - and it is an embarrassment to these "reporters" and to the profession. JMHO. Yea - that's a pretty out of touch opinion. Nothing against the Turnleys but one of them just retired from a tenured job after teaching at university for about a decade, so there is a cozy retirement cushion there more than likely. And in regards to Ukraine - there is much better, much more important work coming out of there. Good work in the past doesn't mean it's being done now. And frame grabs can be powerful images. David Leeson was doing that more than a decade ago because it was good enough resolution for newsprint even then - not that you can do good work shooting continuously without skill - you still have to have skill. Easy to criticize these actual working journalists who live on a shoestring budget (not the pensioned Turnleys who are from a different time and still working like it is that time, when it is not) with editors demanding wide edits of coverage. The elitism in this forum never ceases to amaze me. The user base holding opinions so comically divorced from the reality of the profession the brand used to hold much higher relevance in. Yes, some people still use Leicas - hell, I even used one on my last shoot for the Guardian as well, but this is slow work and it's niche work and when it comes to general assignment stuff they're just a poor tool, not matter how fun they are to use. When we can afford to, and then also practically use an M on assignment we are lucky in all manners and it is a luxury in all ways because they are simply not nearly as versatile enough to meet the needs of many sorts of work and editors would demand. But okay, I'll get off your lawn now. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoworks Posted March 31, 2022 Share #20 Posted March 31, 2022 I know a few that use like in the was. there is an Italian press photographer that got saved by a bullet that was stopped by the Leica Q2. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/328484-couldshould-the-m11-be-the-new-m2m4m6-reporter-camera/?do=findComment&comment=4410366'>More sharing options...
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