PaulJohn Posted October 20, 2022 Share #201 Posted October 20, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) Boaty McBoatface is an unfair analogy because the voters had no vested interest in the outcome but I get your meaning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Simone_DF Posted October 20, 2022 Share #202 Posted October 20, 2022 54 minutes ago, Qwertynm said: I have another camera system for focal lengths >50mm as probably do many other photographers interested in a Q. That's exactly the market segment Leica should target with a 50mm equipped Q as a second line. Instead of buying a Q with 28mm and a Canon/Sony/etc with 50mm, you could buy a Q with a 28mm lens AND a second Q with a 50mm lens. 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwertynm Posted October 20, 2022 Share #203 Posted October 20, 2022 Yeah, you're right. That was a poor example. I guess my main point was that the need of some (forum dwellers) does not reflect the need of the whole userbase and polling a forum would reflect only a small portion of Leicas userbase as well as some who don't even own a Leica (me) but would like one. What I do like is that they did not outright reject the idea of the longer FL. Seeing how successful the GRIIIx is with it's 40mm eq. lens one might wonder what Leica is up to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwertynm Posted October 20, 2022 Share #204 Posted October 20, 2022 vor 2 Minuten schrieb Simone_DF: Instead of buying a Q with 28mm and a Canon/Sony/etc with 50mm, you could buy a Q with a 28mm lens AND a second Q with a 50mm lens. I think it's the other way around. People already have a system Leica M/SL/Canon/Nikon/Sony/whatever and see the Q as a nice addition. At least that's how I see it. Instead of purchasing a fast wide angle lens and a second camera body I just get the Q and have a really small addition to my ILC-gear. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
T25UFO Posted October 20, 2022 Share #205 Posted October 20, 2022 Leica has a pretty good connection to its user base, probably better than any other camera manufacturer. The people on this forum are Leica users anyway - of course you need to keep your existing users happy, but Leica needs to grow its user base, so just polling [what is probably] a small segment may not address the wider issue. And a poll of existing Q users will not provide a definitive answer as far as focal length is concerned. My guess, and it is only a guess, is that the Q3 will still have a fast 28mm lens with a higher resolution sensor and that will provide better options for cropping. It happened from Q > Q2 making equivalent 75mm usable. The problem with starting at 40mm or 50mm is you can't go wider. Leica has pretty much decided that cropping is the new zoom. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwertynm Posted October 20, 2022 Share #206 Posted October 20, 2022 vor 7 Minuten schrieb T25UFO: the Q3 will still have a fast 28mm lens with a higher resolution sensor and that will provide better options for cropping I believe this to be true as well. The concept just works and is successful, obviously. Otherwise they would not be working on the third iteration of the Q. That is not to say a Q50 wouldn't be succesful as well but they won't change the formula of the Q3. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulJohn Posted October 20, 2022 Share #207 Posted October 20, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) 23 minutes ago, Qwertynm said: Yeah, you're right. That was a poor example. I guess my main point was that the need of some (forum dwellers) does not reflect the need of the whole userbase and polling a forum would reflect only a small portion of Leicas userbase as well as some who don't even own a Leica (me) but would like one. What I do like is that they did not outright reject the idea of the longer FL. Seeing how successful the GRIIIx is with it's 40mm eq. lens one might wonder what Leica is up to. Even with a small sample size the results can still be conclusive. Statistical significance can be measured to calculate the likelihood that the sample size is reflective of the population. For example if you asked 100 forum members whether they would prefer 35mm or 28mm then a 60/40 split would be inconclusive but a 85/15 split would begin to suggest which way the population is leaning. They could also mail shot their Q/Q2 customer base (if they are permitted). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynp Posted October 20, 2022 Share #208 Posted October 20, 2022 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Simone_DF said: Instead of buying a Q with 28mm and a Canon/Sony/etc with 50mm, you could buy a Q with a 28mm lens AND a second Q with a 50mm lens. Yes. instead of buying a Hasselblad X with the 80mm I will be able to get a Q3-50mm. with its leaf shutter and save a lot of money. Edited October 20, 2022 by ynp 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
T25UFO Posted October 20, 2022 Share #209 Posted October 20, 2022 1 hour ago, ynp said: Yes. instead of buying a Hasselblad X with the 80mm I will be able to get a Q3-50mm. with its leaf shutter and save a lot of money. That combo might be heavier and more expensive than the Hassy 😂 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted October 20, 2022 Share #210 Posted October 20, 2022 2 hours ago, Qwertynm said: I think it's the other way around. People already have a system Leica M/SL/Canon/Nikon/Sony/whatever and see the Q as a nice addition. At least that's how I see it. Instead of purchasing a fast wide angle lens and a second camera body I just get the Q and have a really small addition to my ILC-gear. Yes, but it's also a chicken and egg problem. They have the other system because there's no 50mm option offered. I'd consider selling my other gear and stick to a Q28mm + Q50mm as my main bodies and nothing else. There's at least one (ex?) forum user that sold his M10 and now shots only with the Ricoh GRIII and GRIIIx. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwertynm Posted October 20, 2022 Share #211 Posted October 20, 2022 (edited) vor 2 Stunden schrieb PaulJohn: For example if you asked 100 forum members go to a car enthusiast forum and ask whether they'd like a straight V6 3L and Sports package or a 1.4L 4 cylinder with 17" rims as standard configuration and you'd get a 100/0 split. So what gives? Forums are hardly representative for the general population that buys those cars/cameras/whatever else. I'm very much looking forward to that Q3 with an 28mm lens and that 60MP Sony sensor. Gives you usable 28/35/50 files and if you want to really push it even 75. Edited October 20, 2022 by Qwertynm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulJohn Posted October 20, 2022 Share #212 Posted October 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, Qwertynm said: go to a car enthusiast forum and ask whether they'd like a straight V6 3L and Sports package or a 1.4L 4 cylinder with 17" rims as standard configuration and you'd get a 100/0 split. So what gives? Forums are hardly representative for the general population that buys those cars/cameras/whatever else. Good observation. I hadn't even considered that forum members could be a biased sample. Hmmm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chef Posted October 20, 2022 Share #213 Posted October 20, 2022 3 hours ago, T25UFO said: Leica has a pretty good connection to its user base, probably better than any other camera manufacturer. The people on this forum are Leica users anyway - of course you need to keep your existing users happy, but Leica needs to grow its user base, so just polling [what is probably] a small segment may not address the wider issue. And a poll of existing Q users will not provide a definitive answer as far as focal length is concerned. My guess, and it is only a guess, is that the Q3 will still have a fast 28mm lens with a higher resolution sensor and that will provide better options for cropping. It happened from Q > Q2 making equivalent 75mm usable. The problem with starting at 40mm or 50mm is you can't go wider. Leica has pretty much decided that cropping is the new zoom. I would disagree. Daniels handling of the development and marketing of the Leica APSC line was poor to say the least. There was plenty they could have done but Daniels couldn’t be bothered seems to be the conclusion. If that’s listening to customers I suggest he buys himself some hearing aids. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robb Posted October 20, 2022 Share #214 Posted October 20, 2022 Just like Ricoh, I’d love two model Q3 - one with the 28, one with a 50 because of the leaf shutters. please keep the same battery as the sl2. Robb 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoworks Posted October 20, 2022 Share #215 Posted October 20, 2022 5 hours ago, T25UFO said: The problem with starting at 40mm or 50mm is you can't go wider. Fuji has a lens for the 100V that is wider. Anyway I predict a compact zoom. 28-35-50mm on the Q Stefan mention in the back that they got the smallest shutter and to keep everything compact is was only possible on the 28 without increasing the lens size. Maybe they found another supplier in the last few years and we get a fantastic new product. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robb Posted October 20, 2022 Share #216 Posted October 20, 2022 The reason I like the two variants is that you can easily crop the 28 to a 35 without losing too much of the file size. With a 50 Q you could do the same crop to a 75 and still have a large file… can’t really do that with the 28 lens all the way to 75 and get away with it. Robb 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iRandom Posted October 21, 2022 Share #217 Posted October 21, 2022 21 hours ago, Photoworks said: Anyway I predict a compact zoom. 28-35-50mm on the Q I've always thought that this could be interesting depending on much of a compromise it is for the lenses speed and size. Ideally, I'd rather see something like 28-50-75 but that would result in lenses that is even slower and larger. However, a 28-35-50 with the 48MP or 60MP sensor may be a good compromise since it would mean a good bit of digital zoom would be possible by cropping the 50mm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeicaKyu2 Posted October 21, 2022 Share #218 Posted October 21, 2022 Coming from a Ricoh GR IIIx (40mm equivalent), I'm actually wanting a wider lens and am totally fine with 28mm.. 🤷🏼♂️ My problem has more to do with waiting to see/buy a Q3M, or buy Q2M now... first world problems, I know. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted October 22, 2022 Share #219 Posted October 22, 2022 21 hours ago, LeicaKyu2 said: Coming from a Ricoh GR IIIx (40mm equivalent), I'm actually wanting a wider lens and am totally fine with 28mm.. 🤷🏼♂️ My problem has more to do with waiting to see/buy a Q3M, or buy Q2M now... first world problems, I know. The Monochrome version of the Q3 may not come for years. That's not an option I would be considering given the timeframe involved. Just think of all the shots you could get in the meantime with the Q2M. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robb Posted October 22, 2022 Share #220 Posted October 22, 2022 I would not expect a Q3 until 2023 so a Q3m will be way in the future. wish they would surprise me and get something out for the holidays… Robb Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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