Samascha Posted November 12, 2021 Share #1  Posted November 12, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi, My brother has given me this m2, and i did looked up it's within the serial of ks15-4. As i am a newbie, i would like to ask the community whether this is the authentic ks15-4, based on the pictures.  thanks in advance Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/326462-ks15-4-authenticity/?do=findComment&comment=4311886'>More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted November 12, 2021 Posted November 12, 2021 Hi Samascha, Take a look here KS15-4 authenticity. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Topsy Posted November 12, 2021 Share #2 Â Posted November 12, 2021 Serial number comes up as an M2 from 1966. It looks in very nice condition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted November 12, 2021 Share #3 Â Posted November 12, 2021 Hello Samascha, Welcome to the Forum. Could we also see a photo of the other side of the inside of the camera where the end of the new roll of film goes please? Best Regards, Michael Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted November 12, 2021 Share #4  Posted November 12, 2021 In this image, we can see that the base plate has roller (tulip style coupling) of later M4. So this may be M2-R Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!  Strange that on the top, no engraving M2-R like this one here ... Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!  Strange that on the top, no engraving M2-R like this one here ... ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/326462-ks15-4-authenticity/?do=findComment&comment=4312061'>More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted November 12, 2021 Share #5 Â Posted November 12, 2021 Hello Arnaud, Baseplates are interchangeable. This is why we need to look into the compartment where the end of the new film goes. Best Regards, Michael Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted November 12, 2021 Share #6  Posted November 12, 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, a.noctilux said: In this image, we can see that the base plate has roller (tulip style coupling) of later M4. So this may be M2-R Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!  Strange that on the top, no engraving M2-R like this one here ... The KS15-4 has no special engraving and does have the M4 loading system. The OP's camera does also appear to have the extra dust seals, and the serial number comes within the correct range. That said more details are needed, it could be a regular M2 converted later but at the moment I think it could be genuine, it is however amazing that so many of these military cameras show up in pristine condition. The M2-R is just the civilian version of the KS15-4. Edited November 12, 2021 by 250swb 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldwino Posted November 12, 2021 Share #7  Posted November 12, 2021 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 5 hours ago, Samascha said:     Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!  Need to see the other half of the camera at this angle to know if it's got the M4 take-up spool. Edited November 12, 2021 by oldwino Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
michali Posted November 12, 2021 Share #8  Posted November 12, 2021 16 minutes ago, 250swb said: The KS15-4 has no special engraving and does have the M4 loading system. The OP's camera does also appear to have the extra dust seals, and the serial number comes within the correct range. That said more details are needed, it could be a regular M2 converted later but at the moment I think it could be genuine. The M2-R is just the civilian version of the KS15-4. I agree with you. There were under 900  KS-15-4cameras made & the  s/nos. were in the range of 1163151-1163770 & 1164046-1164300. I would think that as it falls within the correct s/no. range it's most probably genuine.  Cameras that were converted later would have s/nos. outside of this range. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samascha Posted November 12, 2021 Author Share #9  Posted November 12, 2021 4 hours ago, oldwino said: Need to see the other half of the camera at this angle to know if it's got the M4 take-up spool. Here you go, thanks Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/326462-ks15-4-authenticity/?do=findComment&comment=4312252'>More sharing options...
Samascha Posted November 12, 2021 Author Share #10  Posted November 12, 2021 5 hours ago, Michael Geschlecht said: Hello Samascha, Welcome to the Forum. Could we also see a photo of the other side of the inside of the camera where the end of the new roll of film goes please? Best Regards, Michael  Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/326462-ks15-4-authenticity/?do=findComment&comment=4312254'>More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted November 13, 2021 Share #11  Posted November 13, 2021 Hello Again Samascha, Thank you for the photos. Is it also possible to see 1 photo showing the entire bottom open from beyond the end on 1 side to beyond the end on the other side? Best Regards, Michael Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldwino Posted November 13, 2021 Share #12 Â Posted November 13, 2021 I think you owe your brother a very nice dinner. Or two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted November 13, 2021 Share #13 Â Posted November 13, 2021 (edited) I hope your brother also got you the rest of the set, case and lenses etc. Meanwhile this has also been cross posted on the Collectors forum so the discussion goes on there as well, maybe a Moderator could clean it all up? Edited November 13, 2021 by 250swb Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaidshirts Posted November 13, 2021 Share #14  Posted November 13, 2021 On 11/12/2021 at 5:04 AM, Samascha said: Hi, My brother has given me this m2, and i did looked up it's within the serial of ks15-4. As i am a newbie, i would like to ask the community whether this is the authentic ks15-4, based on the pictures.  thanks in advance Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! It looks legit to me. In mint condition too. A very nice brother you have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubois pierre Posted April 13, 2022 Share #15  Posted April 13, 2022 Hi, I have little disagreement with a seller of a Leica M2 KS15-4, he tells me that this version was made for the US Army in 275 copies, for me it's wrong the real figure is 874/875 copies and 2000 copies for the M2-R. Please provide your expertise on this.  Here is his announcement on summilux (Vulcanite replaced). http://www.summilux.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=102706 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/326462-ks15-4-authenticity/?do=findComment&comment=4417700'>More sharing options...
dubois pierre Posted April 13, 2022 Share #16 Â Posted April 13, 2022 I found the article on this subject on this forum 2 lots for the M2 KS-15-4, 1 163 150-1 163 770 and 1 164 046-1 164 300, total 650 + 254 = 874 (JC Braconi January 2010). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted April 13, 2022 Share #17 Â Posted April 13, 2022 5 hours ago, dubois pierre said: Hi, I have little disagreement with a seller of a Leica M2 KS15-4, he tells me that this version was made for the US Army in 275 copies, for me it's wrong the real figure is 874/875 copies and 2000 copies for the M2-R. Please provide your expertise on this. Â Â Maybe the seller was thinking to a different modified M2Â ... the M2-M made for the NY Electric motor : indeed, 275 (or 276) items are generally reported for it. Â Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubois pierre Posted April 13, 2022 Share #18 Â Posted April 13, 2022 Maybe LUIGI I'm waiting for the official source by JC Braconi. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted April 13, 2022 Share #19 Â Posted April 13, 2022 Pierre, May be I don't see well but the s/n is different, we do not speak about the same camera celui en vente est ici :Â https://www.l-camera-forum.com/classifieds/category/10-leica-m-cameras/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubois pierre Posted April 13, 2022 Share #20  Posted April 13, 2022 J.C If it is well this one the same on sale on Summilux with the same presentation N°1164299. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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