kengai Posted October 31, 2021 Share #1 Â Posted October 31, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) I always read about the great qualities of the 35mm 'king of bokeh'. What appreciable differences are there with the new 35mm APO? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ianman Posted October 31, 2021 Share #2  Posted October 31, 2021 Always? Yet another internet age Leica myth. It was a term coined by a blogger - so not that long ago  - who almost as quickly regretted  doing so. It’s well documented. 8 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a5m Posted October 31, 2021 Share #3 Â Posted October 31, 2021 2 hours ago, kengai said: 35mm 'king of bokeh' Ugh... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nowhereman Posted October 31, 2021 Share #4  Posted October 31, 2021 3 hours ago, Al Brown said: ...I noticed you asked a very similar question a few years ago here Thanks for alerting us to this. Yes, just looked at the other thread and don't see why the OP wants to repeat that discussion which, at 5 pages, was thorough and informative. _______________________________________Frog Leaping photobook and Instagram Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danner Posted October 31, 2021 Share #5  Posted October 31, 2021 (edited) 'KoB' may simply be a synonym for 'Version 4'. I have no experience with the APO, but do find the KoB to be a magnificent lens on film, in fact, my very favorite Leica lens.  The APO certainly has higher resolving power and reduced chromatic aberrations.  This would be particularly beneficial in high megapixel digital bodies.  I think that's the deciding factor in choosing between the two.  Unless, one is enamored with the KoB rendering, the APO would seem to be the superior lens. IMHO. Edited October 31, 2021 by Danner 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01maciel Posted October 31, 2021 Share #6 Â Posted October 31, 2021 This is a misunderstanding. Who did say that the Cron is male? Her real name is actually Queen of Bokeh aka Queen of Cash. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted October 31, 2021 Share #7  Posted October 31, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 hour ago, Nowhereman said: Thanks for alerting us to this. Yes, just looked at the other thread and don't see why the OP wants to repeat that discussion which, at 5 pages, was thorough and informative. _______________________________________Frog Leaping photobook and Instagram While I completely agree that we have more than enough thread duplication there is a subtle difference. The previous thread was about the differences between the KOB and the then current ASPH. This thread is about the KOB & APO.  Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted October 31, 2021 Share #8 Â Posted October 31, 2021 21 minutes ago, 01maciel said: This is a misunderstanding. Who did say that the Cron is male? Her real name is actually Queen of Bokeh aka Queen of Cash. KOB = king of bollocks if you ask me. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarav Posted October 31, 2021 Share #9 Â Posted October 31, 2021 I can't speak of APO but I currently own 35 Summicron V4 and 35 Summilux Asph FLE. The latter has more resolving power and uniformity across the whole frame. The "old" Summicron has a typical Leica rendering of the Mandler era: Punchy central image with a very good resolving power and a gradual growth of aberrations toward the corners. To me, the V4 OOF is the best of all 35 I owned. People portrayed with this lens are 3D they come out of the picture. The recent lenses are little bit boring, phenomenal in their technical sheet but too "linear". People portrayed with a 35 LUX FLE are perfectly drawn and so the rest of the pictures but the overall image is a bit flat. High resolving power is not necessarily synonym of better picture, but it helps a lot in hard situation when there's no available light and you have to shoot wide open with high ISO; in this case recent lenses are clearly better. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcusick Posted November 1, 2021 Share #10  Posted November 1, 2021 (edited) This one picture is one example of what people like about the Summicron v4. Excellent colors. Rapid separation between forground and background. Decent bokeh. Sharp. The only thing I don't like is lackluster contrast. Shadows get lost. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited November 1, 2021 by rcusick 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/325940-king-of-bokeh-vs-35mm-apo/?do=findComment&comment=4304063'>More sharing options...
sarav Posted November 1, 2021 Share #11 Â Posted November 1, 2021 This is not rapid rapid separation from focus plane. Background still has a nice texture and this is the nice bookeh of this lens. Modern recent lenses do have a rapid separation, when you take a shot with a 50mm the effect is similar to a shot taken with a tele-photo lens. To me this is not nice or good bokeh. It's a subproduct of a well designed lens but it doesn't mean bookeh is nice. The lens who built the magic Leica heritage are all with slow separation from focus plane to OOF-Planes and with aberrations who give some peculiar texture to the OOF-Planes. I'm not saying old lenses are better than newer ones; I'm saying nice bookeh is not related to rapid separation from focus to OOF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcusick Posted November 2, 2021 Share #12  Posted November 2, 2021 I disagree. For the time - ie 80s - falloff is nice. The lens doesn't work where contrast is key. But otherwise pleasant mandler lens.   Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 5 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/325940-king-of-bokeh-vs-35mm-apo/?do=findComment&comment=4304980'>More sharing options...
rcusick Posted November 2, 2021 Share #13  Posted November 2, 2021 And again. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 7 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/325940-king-of-bokeh-vs-35mm-apo/?do=findComment&comment=4304981'>More sharing options...
rcusick Posted November 2, 2021 Share #14  Posted November 2, 2021 And again. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 7 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/325940-king-of-bokeh-vs-35mm-apo/?do=findComment&comment=4304982'>More sharing options...
rcusick Posted November 2, 2021 Share #15  Posted November 2, 2021 And again. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 12 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/325940-king-of-bokeh-vs-35mm-apo/?do=findComment&comment=4304983'>More sharing options...
rcusick Posted November 2, 2021 Share #16  Posted November 2, 2021 And again. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/325940-king-of-bokeh-vs-35mm-apo/?do=findComment&comment=4304984'>More sharing options...
sarav Posted November 2, 2021 Share #17 Â Posted November 2, 2021 Nice and suggestive pictures! Great lenses in the Mandler era do have a beautiful and gentle roll-off between focus plane and OOF planes. To me, this give a real Leica 3D effect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarav Posted November 3, 2021 Share #18  Posted November 3, 2021 2 hours ago, Steven said: If value is also a factor, I would go as far as recommending a silver copy, which Is raising so fast in value. You can get it today for half the price of the APO, and probably sell it next year for much more than a used APO. Well written, Good advice! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hydet Posted January 25, 2022 Share #19 Â Posted January 25, 2022 On 11/3/2021 at 2:35 AM, Steven said: The V4 is over rated, IMO, but if I had to pick one to live with between the V4 and the APO, which I both have, I would pick the V4. Reasons are:Â Â I have and use the v.4 and lust after the APO. Â Hmm. Â Maybe I should just use my FLE or get the Voigtlander APO for those times I'm more interested in sharp than character. Â Â Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirubadanieru Posted January 25, 2022 Share #20  Posted January 25, 2022 Pre asph cron anytime, all the time. The summicron lineup got bloated and almost as big & heavy as the summilux...if I have two lenses that are as big/heavy then I always go for a summilux...but the reason why the cron lineup is great is because they (used to be) small & offer great performance as an everday lens. The V4 (& previous crons) are tiny & weight 150〜170g. All ASPH lenses are pretty much double the size & weight.  8 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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