Pixii - complementary or competition? [Merged]

[tsleica]

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Boy..are we so literal or what...lol..

Of course Leica is not an actual cult..duh..

But that said..

Just look at the defensiveness and polarization when anything is mentioned that someone..doesnt agree with..

Its freekin crazy..just like a cult..hahah...

These are cameras..thats all..lil computers that companies make to generate funds..nothing more..nothing less..

For profit business..only.

Thousands for a RF cam..and thats the cheapest company..

There are 400- cams that do a lot more than the Pixii..or the M for that matter..

Just the rangefinder they are charging for..they say its expensive..

But I really doubt it..

Because back in the film days..every old el cheapo viewfinder cam..had an actual rangefinder in it..

Built cheap by the thousands..and worked just fine..

Nothing special.

Edited April 20, 2022 by tsleica

[ramarren]

53 minutes ago, tsleica said:

Boy..are we so literal or what...lol..

Of course Leica is not an actual cult..duh..

But that said..

Just look at the defensiveness and polarization when anything is mentioned that someone..doesnt agree with..

Its freekin crazy..just like a cult..hahah...

These are cameras..thats all..lil computers that companies make to generate funds..nothing more..nothing less..

For profit business..only.

Thousands for a RF cam..and thats the cheapest company..

There are 400- cams that do a lot more than the Pixii..or the M for that matter..

Just the rangefinder they are charging for..they say its expensive..

But I really doubt it..

Because back in the film days..every old el cheapo viewfinder cam..had an actual rangefinder in it..

Built cheap by the thousands..and worked just fine..

Nothing special.

If you feel this way, why are you on the "Rangefinder Forum"? Why do you participate in threads intended to discuss a camera that you have no interest in other than to disparage? 

The Pixii does something that only one other camera does nowadays (a Leica M): It is a digital camera that provides the photographer with an optical tunnel viewfinder and rangefinder focusing. That is precisely why I'm buying one, and why I might buy another digital Leica M. If you don't think that's special, then why be here at all? 

I don't want or need 95% of what that other 400 cameras you mention provide. More specifically, I already have cameras like that, don't use all their excess features. All that junk is mostly a waste of my time. I'll use every feature the Pixii has, if I ever receive it. 

If those cameras provide what you need/want, then go buy one of them and stop making such insipid statements. Make photographs instead. 

G

Edited April 20, 2022 by ramarren

[Chris W]

18 hours ago, ramarren said:

 

Do you have to repeat yourself a dozen times to feel like you have made your point heard? Why?

 

Only because people in the discussion keep making up points I haven't made.

I looove the idea of Pixii, the only major drawback for me is the crop sensor, because I don't typically shoot ultra wide and therefore don't own ultra wide lenses.

The silly follow up that often gets repeated is that people like me are biased, don't understand the camera and/or are not the target customer, to which I reply my opinion is formed by being a long term owner of the Epson RD-1s and Leica M8.

If you lot would stop putting incorrect negatives in my mouth, I will be able to stop having to repeat what my ACTUAL point is.

[pop]

2 minutes ago, Chris W said:

you lot

A "you lot" does not exist, neither here nor there. Actually, I find the term quite offensive. You should realise that everyone writing here is an individual with her or his unique set of opinions and experience. You lot indeed.

[pgk]

To be honest I would suggest that a full frame Pixii at < £5000 might well create a lot of interest and appeal to a rather broader audience (myself included). The current camera should indicate just how effective the new company is at building cameras and responding to te inevitable problems associated with building such sophisticated items as a new start up. If the feedback is good (and so far a lot seems to be) then it will be interesting to watch what happens. I wish Pixii well, and although for me a crop sensor is not something I want to go back to, I have no doubts that it can be a very effctive format. I currently have far more concerns with the direction that Leica is taking the M than I do with Pixii, based on specifications.

[pippy]

Late to this thread and I haven't the time at present to read through all 17 pages of comment posted here so far but I must say that I like the general concept of this product a lot. The Mk. 1 Pixii had many 'flaws' (IMO and for my requirements) but these seem to have been addressed with this v2 model.

I'm not sure I'd ever want to go back to a crop-sensor "M" camera but if Pixii are successful - and I sincerely hope they are - and do decide to release a FF version at some point in the future then it might be a very attractive offering indeed. As a snapper who loves the M-D camera I agree with Paul's comment posted above where he mentions that the direction Leica seems to be heading with their M range could be less interesting for someone such as myself than any future FF Pixii.

I'll have to keep an eye on developments.

Philip.

 

[lct]

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Funny that APS-C is considered a problem for Pixii and not for the digital CL in this good old forum .

[pgk]

57 minutes ago, lct said:

Funny that APS-C is considered a problem for Pixii and not for the digital CL in this good old forum .

I woudn't want a CL either .......

[LocalHero1953]

1 hour ago, lct said:

Funny that APS-C is considered a problem for Pixii and not for the digital CL in this good old forum .

If it was the same person considering it a problem for Pixii and not for the CL, then it might be funny. As it is, I agree with @pop - generalisations are unhelpful.  

[loloboubou1]

So what does it take for us to be impartial? That we invent faults that do not exist? We keep telling you that the pseudo defects linked to a technological choice (no screen, APSC, no SD card, viewfinder) are those that led us to choose this camera.
For the other points: Fake!
I remind you that one of the most severe critics in these pages is able in the same sentence to reproach for not being able to test the Pixii in real life and attributes roller shutting and banding to it! Do you continue to believe it ? Who among the owners had to complain in sensor fast mode of rolling shutter or banding (even with scenes presenting LEDs of different generations)? Who?
 The same person, on a French forum criticized the quality of images from photos presented by a user who does not use camera raw and presented in JPEG of less than 500 ko. Eventually understanding the ridiculousness of the situation he tested the DNGs and agreed, as he can be honest sometimes, that the image quality was very good... with, according to him, a white balance to be improved.. . according to him ...

Get serious! We're not a fan and you can buy whatever you want, I don't care. On the other hand, dirtying a promising project for free, I still don't understand!

[lct]

1 hour ago, pgk said:

I woudn't want a CL either .......

I acknowledge your intellectual constancy and envy the strength of your back .

[lct]

35 minutes ago, loloboubou1 said:

So what does it take for us to be impartial? That we invent faults that do not exist? We keep telling you that the pseudo defects linked to a technological choice (no screen, APSC, no SD card, viewfinder) are those that led us to choose this camera.
For the other points: Fake!
I remind you that one of the most severe critics in these pages is able in the same sentence to reproach for not being able to test the Pixii in real life and attributes roller shutting and banding to it! Do you continue to believe it ? Who among the owners had to complain in sensor fast mode of rolling shutter or banding (even with scenes presenting LEDs of different generations)? Who?
 The same person, on a French forum criticized the quality of images from photos presented by a user who does not use camera raw and presented in JPEG of less than 500 ko. Eventually understanding the ridiculousness of the situation he tested the DNGs and agreed, as he can be honest sometimes, that the image quality was very good... with, according to him, a white balance to be improved.. . according to him ...

Get serious! We're not a fan and you can buy whatever you want, I don't care. On the other hand, dirtying a promising project for free, I still don't understand!

Some people like raining on others parade. Reasoning is not their usual modus operandi but with a bit of luck they may change their mind from time to time. Nothing personal here of course i don't even think that such people may exist on the LUF . About shutter issues i seem to recall that Pixii claimed a global shutter in the past. Are you aware of reasons why this technology was abandoned, if any? Just curious.

[ramarren]

7 hours ago, Chris W said:

Only because people in the discussion keep making up points I haven't made.

I looove the idea of Pixii, the only major drawback for me is the crop sensor, because I don't typically shoot ultra wide and therefore don't own ultra wide lenses.

The silly follow up that often gets repeated is that people like me are biased, don't understand the camera and/or are not the target customer, to which I reply my opinion is formed by being a long term owner of the Epson RD-1s and Leica M8.

If you lot would stop putting incorrect negatives in my mouth, I will be able to stop having to repeat what my ACTUAL point is.

I'm not part of a "lot". That's rude and offensive. And no one put "incorrect negatives in your mouth" - that's ridiculous. 

I'll repeat myself again for emphasis: IF YOU WANT A FF SENSOR CAMERA, GO BUY ONE. There are plenty  to choose from. You have the lenses which you allegedly love, go buy the camera that expresses them the way you want. 

Saying once that 'I like the Pixii and its concept, but I'd prefer/want a FF sensor" is all that was required to communicate your point.

For me, the Pixii will complement my already proven excellent Leica CL by having the same format/same resolution but offering me the optical tunnel RF view/focusing system for when that is a better fit to my needs. I have all the lenses needed to use on either camera. And, in the future, another digital M camera (likely a Monochrom of one description or the other) will complement my M4-2 nicely as well ... since I have all the lenses I need and like to use on that camera too. 

Life's too short to listen to all this BS. If ever UPS decides to do the job they were paid to do and my camera is delivered, I'll start a new thread to share photos and discuss the Pixii in use. I hope that only people who want to do those things will subscribe to it. 

In the meanwhile, I have more important things to do than to listen to all this bellyaching.

G

 

[pippy]

5 hours ago, lct said:

Funny that APS-C is considered a problem for Pixii and not for the digital CL in this good old forum .

Do people here think that having an APS-C sensor is a problem for Pixii? Not having read all 17 pages it could well be the case that I might have missed something about this aspect along the way.

Philip.

 

[raizans]

4 hours ago, loloboubou1 said:

So what does it take for us to be impartial?

Think “What would a salesman do?” Basically, put yourself in their shoes, and set aside your opinion on the camera’s characteristics when describing them to be as objective as possible. That information lets other people make their own evaluation and come to a good decision. I think pop was the only person to give good info on the viewfinder size, which is crazy when the viewfinder is a core component of any camera and a key selling point of the Pixii. Imagine all of the customers who might be disappointed by a viewfinder size like the film Leica CL when they were expecting it to be as large as an M? Personally, the CL is still acceptable for me and my eyes, but maybe it isn’t for others. Unhappy customers would be bad for Pixii, which I hope is successful because the market absolutely needs more options for more affordable digital rangefinder cameras.

This only applies when you’re talking to someone who is actually shopping. If they’re bashing for the fun of trolling, it’s best to disengage.

Edited April 20, 2022 by raizans

[frame-it]

some nice pics here https://www.instagram.com/pixiicamera/

 

[pgk]

3 hours ago, lct said:

I acknowledge your intellectual constancy and envy the strength of your back .

Thank you😉. Its obviously a very personal thing. I've had a number of smaller sensored cameras but the Canin 1D series led me straight back to FF (but weren't good for my back) and, with the exception of the M8, I've been with FF ever since. I've used other, more up to date FF cameras but they just don't work well for me. Perhaps I'm just a dinosaur🙄. But smaller sensor is the logical place for a start up company to work from; why complcate matters when you can evolve a camera?

Choice of gear is a very personal thing provided of course that it is based on genuine requirements as opposed to conjecture😲.

[ramarren]

My Pixii was finally released from the black hole of UPS. 

Unboxing: 

Fit lens, make first exposure: 

20 second review: Nice feel, nice weight. Pentax 43mm f/1.9 Special does not occlude rangefinder. Controls simple and easy to understand. Viewfinder is very good quality optics, I can see the whole optical field with my glasses on. Frame lines are clear and clean. Crisp, clean simple top displays. 

More to report but later. Bicycle ride first. 

G

[loloboubou1]

On 4/19/2022 at 8:27 PM, raizans said:

 

11 hours ago, lct said:

Some people like raining on others parade. Reasoning is not their usual modus operandi but with a bit of luck they may change their mind from time to time. Nothing personal here of course i don't even think that such people may exist on the LUF . About shutter issues i seem to recall that Pixii claimed a global shutter in the past. Are you aware of reasons why this technology was abandoned, if any? Just curious.

the first sensor was an industrial global shutter of 11 Mb. i'll teach you one thing: pixii does not manufacture sensors. so I understood that when it was necessary to evolve they chose the best sensor available and this one operates at 30 fps and thus avoids the rolling shutter. 

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[loloboubou1]

7 hours ago, frame-it said:

some nice pics here https://www.instagram.com/pixiicamera/

 

thanks Frame-it

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