gotium Posted July 10, 2021 Share #21 Posted July 10, 2021 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Steve’s thumbie by far my favorite Edited July 10, 2021 by gotium 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted July 11, 2021 Share #22 Posted July 11, 2021 On 7/5/2021 at 10:24 AM, nicci78 said: None. Because they get in the way into using the two dials with your thumb. Just get the handgrip only. Why the thumb? It is much easier using your index finger to the front. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted July 11, 2021 Share #23 Posted July 11, 2021 Index is working for the right wheel. But for the left, it is not really confortable with the thumb, due to the thumb rest thickness. I think that CL and Q2 by the way, were designed to be used without thumb rest. Like that your thumb can slide from left to right and access both dials. Left and right dials for CL. Speed dial, crop button and right dial for Q2. Add a thumb rest and it get more or less in the way to access both dials. I used to use M10, CL and Q2 without thumb rest but with handgrip. Then with both. And now without thumb rest again but still with handgrip. What I can conclude is that thumb rest did give a sense a better stability. At the expense of user interface ergonomics : access to exposure compensation is harder. Some will never use exposure compensation. But I use it all the time. Because I function with Auto ISO (best invention in photography, since aperture and shutter speed priority modes). Since Leica stubbornly refuse to give us ISO third stop increments in any non-M digital cameras. You have to rely into exposure compensation for fine tuning. If you plan to use M or R lenses through Leica official M/R-Adapter-L. You will find that using CL without thumb rest is way better : your thumb can access freely to magnification and to exposure compensation. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 11, 2021 Share #24 Posted July 11, 2021 I use the index finger for the left easily - as I have been doing for M. camera shutterspeed dials since the Stone Age. In fact. the left one is easier to reach (note: you use the front of the wheel) The thumb is for holding the camera and the right wheel.. 5 hours ago, nicci78 said: I think that CL and Q2 by the way, were designed to be used without thumb rest So why does Leica sell one? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted July 11, 2021 Share #25 Posted July 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, jaapv said: I use the index finger for the left just as easily - as I have been doing for M. camera shutterspeed dials since the Stone Age. The thumb is for holding the camera. Not so essential when a handgrip is attached. For shooting, the left hand shares the burden, cradling the lens. My right thumb is free to adjust the wheels and then it contributes to camera stability when shooting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 11, 2021 Share #26 Posted July 11, 2021 I find it essential to use both. with long lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 11, 2021 Share #27 Posted July 11, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 hour ago, jaapv said: I use the index finger for the left easily - as I have been doing for M. camera shutterspeed dials since the Stone Age. +1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted July 11, 2021 Share #28 Posted July 11, 2021 (edited) Just tried it again. I am 100% positive that it is way easier to turn both CL left and right dials or Q2 shutter speed dial and right dial with the thumb alone. It is almost impossible for me to turn CL left dial or Q2 shutter speed with index alone. It needed the help of the thumb. It is ok to turn CL right dial with index finger. But totally impossible with Q2 right dial. Because it is completely recessed into the body. Q2 already has thumb rest build in. CL interspace between both dials can act as a poor man thumb rest area. In both case handgrip is a must have. Thumb rest is not. Muscle memory can tricks you into believing that thumb rest is absolutely necessary. I got quite some time readjusting to new handling. But now I am happy to get full easy access to both dials for CL and Q2. BTW : Leica never feel the need to manufacture thumb rest before 2017 with M10 and CL. Then in 2019 with Q2. Only 3 models have official thumb accessories. Leica never bother for other cameras. I think that Leica also think that it is superfluous. But why not grab a little of money from your customers. If they are willing so. Edited July 11, 2021 by nicci78 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 11, 2021 Share #29 Posted July 11, 2021 1 minute ago, nicci78 said: It is almost impossible for me to turn CL left dial or Q2 shutter speed with index alone Matter of morphology perhaps? Have been doing this for 30+ years with M cameras and it is even easier with the CL when a good thumb rest as the Leica's is on. YMMV. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted July 11, 2021 Share #30 Posted July 11, 2021 (edited) Are you sure that you are not turning the left dial between your index and thumb together ? This is how I do for M and Q cameras shutter speed dial. But never with CL left dial, because it is smaller, so too far away from index finger. It may be a question of morphology of course. It does not work for me. Edited July 11, 2021 by nicci78 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 11, 2021 Share #31 Posted July 11, 2021 6 minutes ago, nicci78 said: Are you sure that you are not turning the left dial between your index and thumb together ? Sure: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/322239-cl-which-thumb-rest/?do=findComment&comment=4236140'>More sharing options...
Camaro5 Posted July 11, 2021 Share #32 Posted July 11, 2021 (edited) I've had a chance to use the Leica thumb grip on a couple of shoots now. It really hasn't impeded using either of the dials. I thought it would be bigger but it's really pretty small. I like the way I can grip the camera and it allows for some stability, but it isn't like you can handhold at much slower shutter speeds. I can get clean shots at 1/2f whereas before it was maybe 1/3f. Still, if I can get away with anything faster and still use a low ISO and the aperture I want, I'll do it. Edited July 11, 2021 by Camaro5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted July 11, 2021 Share #33 Posted July 11, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, lct said: Sure: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I tried again and understood the issue. I am currently using the handgrip alone. When holding the grip firmly, it is almost impossible to reach the left dial with index, without releasing the handgrip. With the thumb rest, you can just “hold” the CL through the thumb. Hence you do not rely on handgrip and you can reach the left dial with index. So what to conclude ? You do not need both. Pick your poison : handgrip or thumb rest. I chose handgrip because it free the hotshoe and let unrestricted access to the dials. What is sure, is that thumb rest is not necessary at all for good handholding. Actually for small lenses, CL is eminently handholdable without any aid. Edited July 11, 2021 by nicci78 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted July 11, 2021 Share #34 Posted July 11, 2021 (edited) Obviously thumbie did not have the same issue as Leica Thumb rest of Thumbs up. It did not add any thickness in front of the left dial. Making is accessible with the thumb. But you need to break the hold to use it. Thumbie seems to work better in conjunction with handgrip. Sadly I am totally against sticking anything to my CL Edited July 11, 2021 by nicci78 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 11, 2021 Share #35 Posted July 11, 2021 8 minutes ago, nicci78 said: Actually for small lenses, CL is eminently handholdable without any aid. Not for me i must say. I have a thumb rest on my Leica and Fuji cameras but w/o aid, the CL feels the more slippery of them all. YMMV. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guytou Posted July 11, 2021 Share #36 Posted July 11, 2021 (edited) I have the Leica grip and thumb rest as well as the Artisan & Artist half-case which has a little dent on the front: http://www.artisan-n-artist.com/product_detail.php?id=495 I no longer use the grip and only use the thumb rest and half case. My fingers are quite flexible and I can access both wheels with my thumb or forefinger. 😉 Guytou Edited July 11, 2021 by Guytou 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 11, 2021 Share #37 Posted July 11, 2021 1 hour ago, nicci78 said: Sadly I am totally against sticking anything to my CL It's not too bad; it is doublesided sticky foam, the same stuff by 3M that fixes the badges on your car - you can remove the Thumbie with a twist and rub off the adhesive remnant with your. finger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 11, 2021 Share #38 Posted July 11, 2021 4 hours ago, lct said: Sure: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! That is a long hotshoe cover. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 11, 2021 Share #39 Posted July 11, 2021 4 hours ago, nicci78 said: Are you sure that you are not turning the left dial between your index and thumb together ? Why would you want to do that? IMG_1997.MOV Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted July 12, 2021 Share #40 Posted July 12, 2021 (edited) 12 hours ago, Guytou said: I no longer use the grip and only use the thumb rest and half case. My fingers are quite flexible and I can access both wheels with my thumb or forefinger. 😉 That’s exactly that. With the thumb rest, you can access both wheels with the index. However when holding firmly the handgrip, you cannot access right dial with index. I just need a flash from time to time. So no more thumb rest for me. It was weird to have to readjust my handling each time I needed my SF-24D. It was the same story with M10. From time to time I needed to use the Visoflex for SEM 21 et for APO-M 90. At the end it was too cumbersome to use the thumb rest. Handgrip were the way to go. For my Q2 same story. Thumb rest makes using right wheel totally impossible. You have to leave your thumb completely to the right side, making the thumb rest totally useless. One again the handgrip is a better solution. After three unfortunate experiences. I will never buy an official thumb rest from Leica. I will gladly use their handgrip instead. The best thumb rest ever designed is the Leica M film advance lever. Or M10-D faux lever. Edited July 12, 2021 by nicci78 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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