ianman Posted May 31, 2021 Share #161 Posted May 31, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) The Great M9 revival is upon us!!! 😂 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted May 31, 2021 Posted May 31, 2021 Hi ianman, Take a look here A film 'look' in the near future?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
jaapv Posted May 31, 2021 Share #162 Posted May 31, 2021 It would not surprise me. A countermovement to the megapixel indigestion. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
altphoto Posted May 31, 2021 Share #163 Posted May 31, 2021 i still don't understand the people who think that analog is more expensive than digital, i have been shooting with my two leicas for 25 years, meanwhile in the digital world i am already on my third digital lieca, just calculate how many films with development and prints I for just for the purchase of that digital , forgive the word, brol could have on shooting and then I do not count the purchase of computers and printers, want your movie look throw that digital brol out of your wallet will be happy 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpattison Posted May 31, 2021 Share #164 Posted May 31, 2021 (edited) The DMR files were the closest to “a film look “ - in my opinion Kodachrome. I regret selling my R9DMR. John Edited May 31, 2021 by jpattison Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpattison Posted May 31, 2021 Share #165 Posted May 31, 2021 Please use the word “Film”, not analog or correctly analogue. these words are now used as an opposite to digital, but in photography film is film. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted May 31, 2021 Share #166 Posted May 31, 2021 'Back in the day' we all enthused about the highlight roll off with the M9 that made a very good film like caricature with the CCD sensor. But then came the M240, M10, M10R and all have resulted, due to their excellence, in bland characteristic curves where photographers find it mentally hard to override the out of camera results and say 'yes I saw white in that picture, but the camera has made it grey'. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpattison Posted May 31, 2021 Share #167 Posted May 31, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) Apples by R9DMR... https://johnpattisonphotography.zenfolio.com/p52065973/h381ab34e#h381ab34e John Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 31, 2021 Share #168 Posted May 31, 2021 20 minutes ago, jpattison said: Please use the word “Film”, not analog or correctly analogue. these words are now used as an opposite to digital, but in photography film is film. That is true. Strictly speaking a sensor is analogue and a film digital. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einst_Stein Posted May 31, 2021 Share #169 Posted May 31, 2021 I imagine the future sensor to have 1000 or 2000 lines (or more). That's the film (glass plate) I used half a century ago to take hologram. It is capable of bare eye focusfree 3D imaging. Or maybe even simpler, just focusfree lower resolution multiple sensors, viewed with goggle. I can hear and imagine the screaming again it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted May 31, 2021 Share #170 Posted May 31, 2021 50% would scream against a new sensor (or camera/lens). 1 to 50% would applaude the new gear and 100% (of future buyers !) would buy the new thing anyway 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted June 1, 2021 Share #171 Posted June 1, 2021 9 hours ago, Steven said: It's been a week that everybody is praising the M9 sensor on here. I need to see it with my own eyes. I was about to trade in my M9 as I have not been using it since the M240 came out. I charged the battery and tried a couple of shots. Not bad! Especially nice is that DxO's DeepPrime noise reduction supports M9, so noise is no longer an issue. M9 is a keeper ... thanks to M2. If I did not recently get an M2, I would not have followed this film camera forum :). 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J12 Posted June 1, 2021 Share #172 Posted June 1, 2021 10 hours ago, Steven said: It's been a week that everybody is praising the M9 sensor on here. I need to see it with my own eyes. As much as I liked my M9 over the 10 years I shot with it, having let the camera go I’m unsure I would go back to it now. It's definitely different and output is great in certain conditions at low ISO. However, due to it being a digital camera it feels very outdated and limited in many other areas. Time isn’t always very kind to digital technology. I use digital for certain things, but hesitated to replace my CCD M9 with later CMOS versions of the digital Ms. Procrastinating and eventually skipping each new iteration of the digital M over the years. In the end opting for an M-A and deciding to continue shooting more film with the M system. Presently, leaving digital to cameras designed specifically for the digital format. Such as the SL and T series. After using an EVF all day long on a digital camera it’s a pleasure and welcome eye relief to use the OVF on an M. I would definitely consider another digital M, but personally don’t find the output from CMOS sensors incredibly appealing. (It's OK and obviously capable of producing acceptable images, but not something I could honestly say I really love.) With that in mind, I struggle to find a compelling reason to purchase a digital M at current MSRP. The rapid obsolescence of digital is another compounding factor. Whatever comes next, I won’t expect it to replace film, but perhaps the digital aesthetic can be improved. Though, being digital by nature it’s probably always going to look somewhat artificial. It’s primarily a practical consideration that maintains my interest in another digital M, which is the strength of digital for shooting clean images in low light. This is a topic for another thread, but I’d also welcome the return of the naturally illuminated frame lines in the OVF on digital Ms. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einst_Stein Posted June 1, 2021 Share #173 Posted June 1, 2021 CMOS or CCD, the main characteristics is just the IV curve and SNR. Other than the random scan vs. barrel shift, I don't see any essential advantage of CCD over CMOS or vice versa. On the color science engineering hands, The newer technology almost always has better controllable IV curves and SNR. Again, those claims of CCD vs. CMOS are mysterious. I can see some color science parameter shifting from one generation to the next. And there are always some people prefer the old looks. Does it mean anything? Of course, Burt so what? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted June 1, 2021 Share #174 Posted June 1, 2021 11 hours ago, jaapv said: That is true. Strictly speaking a sensor is analogue and a film digital. Not entirely sure what you mean here but one thing is certain, there is nothing incorrect with the spelling of "analog". Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 1, 2021 Share #175 Posted June 1, 2021 Agree, but why not indulge people? After all, I live on the East side of the Atlantic. https://writingexplained.org/analog-vs-analogue-difference The signal from a sensor is analogue, and will only become digital after passing the ADC (Analog-Digital Converter) chip. Film works by activating Halide crystals, which is an on/off, AKA digital, situation. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted June 1, 2021 Share #176 Posted June 1, 2021 14 hours ago, jaapv said: It would not surprise me. A countermovement to the megapixel indigestion. I'm willing to bet that if enough of us here start praising the "magic Leica glow" of M9 files, a new fad will arise. Just look at what happened / is happening with the 28mm Summaron. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 1, 2021 Share #177 Posted June 1, 2021 Well, I did not say anything about glow, rather that I like the way the resulting images look. Others called them more "film like" (a qualification which I do not subscribe to). 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Ricoh Posted June 1, 2021 Share #178 Posted June 1, 2021 16 minutes ago, jaapv said: Agree, but why not indulge people? After all, I live on the East side of the Atlantic. https://writingexplained.org/analog-vs-analogue-difference The signal from a sensor is analogue, and will only become digital after passing the ADC (Analog-Digital Converter) chip. Film works by activating Halide crystals, which is an on/off, AKA digital, situation. The science behind the sensor is the mysterious quantum mechanics and the underlying theory of thermodynamics when energy levels are considered. It’s a question of whether the incoming photon has the appropriate wavelength to kick an electron in the semiconductor into the conduction band. It’s an all or nothing scenario, there’s no middle (analogue) state. But the Resulting stream of electrons could be considered analogue, but deep down the riddle of quanta still apply. The rest is signal processing in the digital domain. Yes, the word is analogue. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted June 1, 2021 Share #179 Posted June 1, 2021 15 minutes ago, jaapv said: Well, I did not say anything about glow, rather that I like the way the resulting images look. Others called them more "film like" (a qualification which I do not subscribe to). I know but add the word glow to anything Leica makes and it's value will shoot up overnight I agree with you on the other matters... I like it's output. But please don't mention that you don't subscribe to the "film like" quality, that will keep the value down... When it hits the predicted 75K (euros presumably) mine will be the first up for sale! ... With a free black paint, nice and glowy 50mm Summilux. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Ricoh Posted June 1, 2021 Share #180 Posted June 1, 2021 Just now, ianman said: I know but add the word glow to anything Leica makes and it's value will shoot up overnight I agree with you on the other matters... I like it's output. But please don't mention that you don't subscribe to the "film like" quality, that will keep the value down... When it hits the predicted 75K (euros presumably) mine will be the first up for sale! ... With a free black paint, nice and glowy 50mm Summilux. If glow is required then add a Tiffen Black Mist filter. Works best with defined light sources. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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