At The Beach

[Henry Taylor]

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Just picked up a used Lumix 20-60 for my SL Wish I could go  all the way but can't  afford the Leica 24-90.maybe later. In the meantime  here's a few practice shots with the 20-60

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Edited April 19, 2021 by Henry Taylor
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[Henry Taylor]

 As I was leaving  a  man and woman stopped me and asked why I was taking pictures of the children on the beach. Politely I replied  that this is a public beach and I wasn't aware of breaking any laws. I got into  my car and started driving away when a police car stopped and pulled me over.  He told me that he had a complaint that I was taking pictures of children  but correctly  informed me I wasn't breaking any laws ,  After checking  my identification  he let me leave,  

I can see it coming. If it is left up to  these kind of individuals they will  be passing a law requiring  a  license to  carry a camera. 😀

Edited April 20, 2021 by Henry Taylor
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[jankap]

7 hours ago, Henry Taylor said:

 1. After checking  my identification  he let me leave,  

2. I can see it coming. If it is left up to  these kind of individuals they will  be passing a law requiring  a  license to  carry a camera. 😀

1. Your name is in the police database now?

2. Long ago the company Compuserve started its business in Germany, perhaps because our company had started to do business with them. Very fast they got problems in Germany, because the laws USA and Germany were/are different. The problem was photos of children in a sex dominated part of offers CS connected to their customers.

Edited April 20, 2021 by jankap

[Henry Taylor]

4 hours ago, jankap said:

1. Your name is in the police database now?

2. Long ago the company Compuserve started its business in Germany, perhaps because our company had started to do business with them. Very fast they got problems in Germany, because the laws USA and Germany were/are different. The problem was photos of children in a sex dominated part of offers CS connected to their customers.

I hadn't  thought much about it, but you bring up an interesting point,  1984, a dystopian nightmare is already here😟

[fotografr]

I was in a grocery store shopping with my wife and I saw a cart with several items in it and a young child sitting in it surrounded by the groceries. I thought it looked cute so I took one shot FROM THE BACK.  Immediately her father came up and started yelling at me to not photograph his daughter. I showed him the photo on the LCD but he wouldn't settle down so I said, "fine, I'll delete it." I showed him it was deleted and he still wasn't satisfied and he went to a checkout stand and complained. A manager came up and had a chat with me and agreed that the guy was overreacting, but said there was a store policy of no photos on the premises without permission.

This is the world we live in now.

[jankap]

Of course we see this in our way. But there are sex criminals at work with children also. Even in the church .... Times change, formerly these things were shady practices.

Two years ago in Nizza I made a foto of the statue of Garibaldi. I used my Elmar 9cm on a distance (perhaps 50 meter) to get the statue upright. Underneath the statue people were sitting, suddenly a man came to me and complained: long telelens etc. As I showed him, how small he was on the LCD he calmed down.

Edited April 20, 2021 by jankap

[andybarton]

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1 hour ago, fotografr said:

a store policy of no photos on the premises without permission

Unfortunately, you were on private property, so the defence of taking photographs in public would not stand.

I wouldn't dream of talking photographs of other people's children on the beach or anywhere else, regardless of whether it is legal or not. It's just not worth the aggravation. 

[fotografr]

1 minute ago, andybarton said:

Unfortunately, you were on private property, so the defence of taking photographs in public would not stand.

I wouldn't dream of talking photographs of other people's children on the beach or anywhere else, regardless of whether it is legal or not. It's just not worth the aggravation. 

Yes, that's all correct and I completely agree with the law and the logic. The only reason I tried to make an exception in this case was that the kid was completely unrecognizable. I'm in total agreement with you and I also never go around pointing my camera at children in public places.

[Henry Taylor]

1 hour ago, fotografr said:

I was in a grocery store shopping with my wife and I saw a cart with several items in it and a young child sitting in it surrounded by the groceries. I thought it looked cute so I took one shot FROM THE BACK.  Immediately her father came up and started yelling at me to not photograph his daughter. I showed him the photo on the LCD but he wouldn't settle down so I said, "fine, I'll delete it." I showed him it was deleted and he still wasn't satisfied and he went to a checkout stand and complained. A manager came up and had a chat with me and agreed that the guy was overreacting, but said there was a store policy of no photos on the premises without permission.

This is the world we live in now.

Yes   And it’s not going to get any better. 
I just bought gas and had to pay $402a gallon here in  Ca life was wonderful when we didn’t have all this miss

[andybarton]

You should count yourself lucky that you don't live here, then.

A US gallon of "Regular" 95 octane unleaded petrol would be £4.54/gallon = $6.33 at today's exchange rate. However, in 10 years time you won't be able to buy a petrol or diesel powered car in the UK, so things will be getting a whole lot better.

[david strachan]

I'm suprised at the reaction to Henry's   photography. (He is just the example.  I'm not particularly picking on him.)

I thought we all knew the rules..

1. Don't take children pictures of people you don't  know

2.Never take close-up pics of unknown children

3.Don't put up pics of other's children on the internet.

4. Never be seen with a camera at a school or childrens playground.

5. No taking pics inside shopping malls and supermarkets.

 

I'm not trying to be a pollyanna, but the western world is a bit too woke for my taste...there a plenty of ways to get into trouble without thoughtless, or over-enthusiastic,  photography.

...

Edited April 21, 2021 by david strachan

[Henry Taylor]

Thank you David but I'm a little surprise regarding your "5 rules" . I understand if its posted no photographs are allowed or on private property without owners permission. But legally, here  in California and most others state that I'm aware of it's legal .  Here is  a section  from "Legal Beagle"

Taking Photos in Public

If you stand in a public place, you can usually take a photo of anything you can see. That means in a public park, on a public beach, on a city street or in an outdoor spectacle, like a marathon, you can shoot photos to your heart's content. Take snaps of trees and sidewalks, yes, but go ahead and snap shots of people, too. Be a little careful however if you are using a telephoto lens. Just because your feet are on public land doesn't mean that you can shoot into private property.

Photographing Kids

You have the legal right to photograph children in public without their or their parents' consent, but this can be regarded as a suspicious activity by parents. However, the act of photography under these circumstances is not illegal. Generally it is perfectly legal for strangers to photograph a child, and post or publish the images as long as they are not published on a child pornography site. However, check the laws in your state as some states have passed restrictive legislation and more are considering doing so.

 

So until it becomes illegal,  I will  continue doing what  I love to  do.😃 

 

[david strachan]

Fair enough Henry...they do make great photo subjects.  Just beware of cranky parents ...

[Henry Taylor]

5 minutes ago, david strachan said:

Fair enough Henry...they do make great photo subjects.  Just beware of cranky parents ...

THANKS DAVID 👍

[werner__]

Taking pictures of other persons, especially when there are childrens, not belonging to the own family, is only correct  -  I think  -  when you ask the parents of the childrens, if you are allowed to do the pictures. You should know, what sometimes happens with pictures of childrens in world wide web. I would never agree a strange person to take pictures for example of my grandson.

Perhaps, after the meeting with the police officer, you have learned something

 

[Louis]

On 4/20/2021 at 11:29 AM, andybarton said:

Unfortunately, you were on private property, so the defence of taking photographs in public would not stand.

I wouldn't dream of talking photographs of other people's children on the beach or anywhere else, regardless of whether it is legal or not. It's just not worth the aggravation. 

Once, I was shooting people playing with waves in Bethany Beach. Someone called the police because his/her child was also in the waves. Fortunately, the chief of the police was a close friend of my wife's cousin, he understood I was not "shooting children".  But I was so upset that I refused to go to that beach anymore!

[Louis]

33 minutes ago, werner__ said:

Taking pictures of other persons, especially when there are childrens, not belonging to the own family, is only correct  -  I think  -  when you ask the parents of the childrens, if you are allowed to do the pictures. You should know, what sometimes happens with pictures of childrens in world wide web. I would never agree a strange person to take pictures for example of my grandson.

Perhaps, after the meeting with the police officer, you have learned something

 

Taking pictures of people in public places and streets should never be forbidden! If a child happens to run in the frame, that should not be any problem for photographers! If these silly rules were applied few decades ago, we would never have HCB masterpieces. Nowadays, you can not shoot in many places and this is, in my view, very unfortunate.

[Henry Taylor]

3 hours ago, werner__ said:

Taking pictures of other persons, especially when there are childrens, not belonging to the own family, is only correct  -  I think  -  when you ask the parents of the childrens, if you are allowed to do the pictures. You should know, what sometimes happens with pictures of childrens in world wide web. I would never agree a strange person to take pictures for example of my grandson.

Perhaps, after the meeting with the police officer, you have learned something

 

 

2 hours ago, Louis said:

Taking pictures of people in public places and streets should never be forbidden! If a child happens to run in the frame, that should not be any problem for photographers! If these silly rules were applied few decades ago, we would never have HCB masterpieces. Nowadays, you can not shoot in many places and this is, in my view, very unfortunate.

Louis Thank you for your opinion I totally agree   

[Henry Taylor]

3 hours ago, werner__ said:

Taking pictures of other persons, especially when there are childrens, not belonging to the own family, is only correct  -  I think  -  when you ask the parents of the childrens, if you are allowed to do the pictures. You should know, what sometimes happens with pictures of childrens in world wide web. I would never agree a strange person to take pictures for example of my grandson.

Perhaps, after the meeting with the police officer, you have learned something

What's so  great Werner about this forum we are allowed to  have different opinions and my opinion was no different the the Police Officer.. Yes I did leave something, He liked my pictures✌️

 

2 hours ago, Louis said:

Taking pictures of people in public places and streets should never be forbidden! If a child happens to run in the frame, that should not be any problem for photographers! If these silly rules were applied few decades ago, we would never have HCB masterpieces. Nowadays, you can not shoot in many places and this is, in my view, very unfortunate.

 

 

3 hours ago, werner__ said:

Taking pictures of other persons, especially when there are childrens, not belonging to the own family, is only correct  -  I think  -  when you ask the parents of the childrens, if you are allowed to do the pictures. You should know, what sometimes happens with pictures of childrens in world wide web. I would never agree a strange person to take pictures for example of my grandson.

Perhaps, after the meeting with the police officer, you have learned something

 

Werner

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[RayD28]

I don't take pictures of children younger than 12 or so unless it includes adults and the setting is appropriate.  Teens often mug to have their picture taken so it's never been a problem  Not hard and fast rule, but there are creepers out there and I respect a parent not wanting a photo taken of their children.