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I think I’ve seen somewhere that the Summilux 50mm type 2 generally renders a bit like a Noctlux. And of course this new Noctilux has the same/similar shape. Anyone know if there’s any truth in that? The Lux won’t be as good optically of course and like most people I’m not going to drop $30k on a lens but I’m more interested in the rendering.

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34 minutes ago, Knipsknecht said:

@Ray Vonn It seems you're kind of right. Have a look at the photos on these sites:

Leica 50 Summilux V2 review

Travelling light through Brazil with the pre-ASPH 50mm Summilux 2nd version

To me the bokeh doesn't look identical but similar - actually even better then with the Noctilux f1.,2.

Appreciated, thanks.

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40 minutes ago, Knipsknecht said:

...To me the bokeh doesn't look identical but similar - actually even better then with the Noctilux f1.,2.

I gather that the Summilux 50v2 is optically the same as th v3, with builtin hood and focus down to 0.7m, often called the Summilux 50 pre-ASPH. Is that right?
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17 minutes ago, Nowhereman said:

I gather that the Summilux 50v2 is optically the same as th v3, with builtin hood and focus down to 0.7m, often called the Summilux 50 pre-ASPH. Is that right?
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Yes all v2/3 pre asph lux are the same optically (coatings might have improved though). There’s a V1 that was only produced for a year or so that has a different optical formula but you rarely find these for sale due to the rarity

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6 hours ago, Bo-Sixten said:

Thanks John for coming back with more photos and comments. I find these photos valuable because they show some of the lens characteristics that are not so evident in more staged photos and reviews. 

1) You seem to have nailed the focus very well. Did you use RF or Visoflex to do this?

2) Are all taken at 1.2? The edge sharpness is pretty good. Looks better than F1.

3) There is very little vignetting. Did you compensate in PP or is this the look at 1.2?

4) I agree with your comment on Noctilux look. There is a clear object separation even at larger distances. You can have this with e.g a 1.4 Lx ASPH as well but with a different look.

Thanks again for posting and please send more samples when you find the time. :))

 

Thank you, Bo-Sixten - I went out yesterday and kept the Visoflex in my jacket, so, all pictures taken withe the optical viewfinder. Everything was taken at f/1.2. I’ve noticed some vignette for, but not unpleasantly so. (And shooting using the M10R, there is definitely some purple fringing, but easily remedied in LR.) I have done nothing to dial back the vignette for in these pictures. 
 

i have come to think of this as a magical lens. It is sharp when stopped down. It renders color really well. It is as difficult to focus as any Noctilux, because of the thin focal plane, but that goes with the territory. And, you can carry it anywhere, and it’s like carrying a Summilux. All in, love it. 

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Lovely photos John please keep them coming, I almost bought one where I lived they had few coming, but stopped when I heard it wasn’t sharp wide open and the long focus isn’t so appealing. How you find it regarding these two points.
I like the non modern lens look in your photos.

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I have to say that your pictures show it sharp enough wide open and with all the other characteristics this looks to be possibly the best 50mm street lens from Leica.  Pity it’ll have to be next years budget ;)

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2 hours ago, WvE said:

How does it feel on the camera, weight-wise?

Yeah this has been my main concern in trying to decide if I get it (I’ll probably will lol) because all my lenses only weight 250g and that’s the perfect spot for me. Wonder how heavy it feels and if it balances well with the camera. The good thing is that it’s not as skinny as the summicron or summilux so that might make the weight distribution better and provide a better balance. Would love to hear from those who have had the lens on their hands for a while :)

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1 hour ago, shirubadanieru said:

Would love to hear from those who have had the lens on their hands for a while

I wish . . . still very elusive here in the UK.  Maybe some deliveries in March . . . hopefully that's March 2021 🙂

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In the street .......The first shots just come out today from the leica store with my new noctilux f1.2 . Shot with M10D

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On 3/4/2021 at 3:35 PM, tightsqueez said:

Too bad the thunder was taken away by the the 35 APO. Keep them coming! 

On that note I am intrigued how much buzz the new 35 APO lens is receiving, yet over here in our little 50 1.2 thread not many folks seem to be involved spare the hard cores and those who have received a copy. I had heard that this lens is heavily ordered yet is that really true given how little dialog? I am 110% excited to get my copy as I own my Dad's original 1968 copy and am more than curious to compare them. If I go by the shared photographs here by those who have received the new 1.2, my intuition is the old and new lens render similarly at 1.2 but as soon as F2 is used the new 1.2 version sure appears to be a much better performer than my lens, sharper, better contrast and just a higher performing lens. Anyone out there with both the old and the new had a chance to compare yet? I am so hopeful about this new lens that I suspect it will live on my M10M. 

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8 hours ago, insideline said:

On that note I am intrigued how much buzz the new 35 APO lens is receiving, yet over here in our little 50 1.2 thread not many folks seem to be involved spare the hard cores and those who have received a copy. I had heard that this lens is heavily ordered yet is that really true given how little dialog? I am 110% excited to get my copy as I own my Dad's original 1968 copy and am more than curious to compare them. If I go by the shared photographs here by those who have received the new 1.2, my intuition is the old and new lens render similarly at 1.2 but as soon as F2 is used the new 1.2 version sure appears to be a much better performer than my lens, sharper, better contrast and just a higher performing lens. Anyone out there with both the old and the new had a chance to compare yet? I am so hopeful about this new lens that I suspect it will live on my M10M. 

Probably the reason for silence is that most people simply can’t get one...lol I’m still waiting but very much looking forward to receiving it. No interest in the APO whatsoever 

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Mushroom sculpture in a park. Maybe not the ideal Noctilux usage, but here is the impression when used at 1.2 at longer distances. Nice "sharpish" rendering. Not for pixel peeping. Object separation and VERY sharp in the middle within a 3mm radius of the frame (though this does not show in this compressed image). This character remains from 1.2 to 2 with the radius of sharpness increasing a bit as you stop down. From 2.8 it becomes more "modern" and common looking, very sharp and contrasty though little less so at the edges compared to e.g. a Summicron. Shot with M10M.

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