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Shot with the Sonnar at 1.5:

 

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sorry about reviving an old post. I just bought a brand new Zeiss 50mm c sonnar today. I tested on plastic bottles and my wife (not that they are equal), and found surprisingly the eyes are always sharp at f1.5/f2/f2.8, so are the text on the bottle. Am I safe to assume there's no (or very little) focus shift? Test camera was M11 and I used rangefinder patch to focus (NOT LIVEVIEW! I know some may assume that).

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My Sonnar 50/1.5 copy purchased in 2014 is calibrated at f/1.5. If your lens is like mine, you should see the focus shift at f/4 or f/5.6 mainly. Earlier copies are calibrated at f/2.8 and some of them at f/2 i was told but i have no experience with them.

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Use it normally and decide if the pictures meet your expectations. I used a lens notorious for focus shift for years and loved it. Then I read about focus shift with it and started testing carefully - and got paranoid. If your results are good, don't overthink.

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33 minutes ago, JimmyCheng said:

and found surprisingly the eyes are always sharp at f1.5/f2/f2.8, so are the text on the bottle.

Yes good point.

Focus shift is overhyped.

I own many lenses reputed for focus shift and I just use those to take pictures and forget about "focus shift".

so ...

Use the lens normally at your favorite apertures, then decide if focus shift ennoys you or not.

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Remember that the smaller the aperture, the greater the depth of field. Also, focus errors are most noticeable in close portraits, less so with landscapes and streetscapes. So focus shift is mainly an issue for shooting people close to with moderate to wide apertures. Form my experience with this lens (admittedly I owned it about 10 years ago) It's generally unnoticeable at f/8, and you might get away with it at f/5.6.

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Jimmy,

Firstly enjoy your video content well done! 

Flavio Bosi did.a very comprehensive test of this lens along with the 50mm F1.5 Nokton II.

His conclusion is the Sonnar focus shifts into the next solar system from F1.5 to F5.6. (At F5.6 the acceptable plane of focus was still 2cm behind the target despite increase of depth of field).

Sonnar Review.

https://www.47-degree.com/focus-shift/zeiss-c-sonnar-50mm-1-5-zm-review#Focus_shift:_how_bad_is_it?
 

His comparison between the 50mm Nokton & Sonnar is also good.

https://www.47-degree.com/focus-shift/nokton-50mm-1-5-ii-sonnar-50mm-1-5-comparison

Have fun with the new lens, it it works for you that’s all that matters! 

Lee 


 

 

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3 hours ago, Lee S said:

Jimmy,

Firstly enjoy your video content well done! 

Flavio Bosi did.a very comprehensive test of this lens along with the 50mm F1.5 Nokton II.

His conclusion is the Sonnar focus shifts into the next solar system from F1.5 to F5.6. (At F5.6 the acceptable plane of focus was still 2cm behind the target despite increase of depth of field).

Sonnar Review.

https://www.47-degree.com/focus-shift/zeiss-c-sonnar-50mm-1-5-zm-review#Focus_shift:_how_bad_is_it?
 

His comparison between the 50mm Nokton & Sonnar is also good.

https://www.47-degree.com/focus-shift/nokton-50mm-1-5-ii-sonnar-50mm-1-5-comparison

Have fun with the new lens, it it works for you that’s all that matters! 

Lee 


 

 

Hi Lee,

I'm glad you enjoyed my content!

Yes I am aware of this review, hence even more surprised by what I found. It was some preliminary testing done at my hotel room so nothing scientific. I'll try to do a more comprehensive review of the lens once I got back home. 

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9 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said:

Remember that the smaller the aperture, the greater the depth of field. Also, focus errors are most noticeable in close portraits, less so with landscapes and streetscapes. So focus shift is mainly an issue for shooting people close to with moderate to wide apertures. Form my experience with this lens (admittedly I owned it about 10 years ago) It's generally unnoticeable at f/8, and you might get away with it at f/5.6.

I was testing in in a hotel room (so very close distance), and to my surprise I don't see much, if any from f1.5 - f2.8 (which should be very noticeable from what I've read). I'm still puzzled as for why. I'll do a more comprehensive review later.

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M11, ZM 50/1.5, crop
Target at about 10m (bush)
No focus shift at f/1.5:

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M11, ZM 50/1.5, crop
Same target at about 10m
Focus shift at f/5.6:

 

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@lct intersting comparison. I still don't know if mine is calibrated for ƒ2 or ƒ2.8 (bought new in  Jan. 2020) I doubt it's at ƒ1.5 since I often have OOF photos with it unless I focus-then-lean-in a few inches. The ƒ1.5 OOF photos often look fine until I zoom in in Lightroom. For the ones that are in-focus however, I see what the magic is about.

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The dog looks in focus in this pic of yours.

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Roger Hicks' advice still holds true: focus at the nearest point you want to have in focus, assuming that the DOF will basically all be behind that plane; you will not have 1/3 of the DOF in front and 2/3 of the DOF behind the focus plane like usual.

https://web.archive.org/web/20080119132856/http:/www.rogerandfrances.com/photoschool/ps firstlook sonnar 50.html

The focus shift issue is rather academic. Who does portraits near minimum focus with the lens stopped down to f/5.6? Most people will be at f/1.5, or if you're like me, you prefer stopping down to f/2.8. I think only the first batch was calibrated for f/2.8 (woe is me), and subsequent batches were calibrated for f/1.5. I haven't heard about any being calibrated for f/2, that's a new one for me.

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