pedaes Posted January 5, 2021 Share #161 Posted January 5, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) 24 minutes ago, Stuart Richardson said: rare Titanium M's might be a pure metal. Or a titanium like coating? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted January 5, 2021 Posted January 5, 2021 Hi pedaes, Take a look here Really, new cheap(er) film M in 2021 ?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
mole73 Posted January 5, 2021 Share #162 Posted January 5, 2021 vor 3 Stunden schrieb andrew01: I agree with everything you suggest except the last point about discontinuing the MA. MA and MP are 99% the same camera and I suspect there would be negligible cost saving to discontinue the MA. The only effect would be to make the MA a collectible item and therefore less accessible for people who like the simplicity of a meter-less camera. In my humble opinion it makes not much sense to keep the M-A in production when a cheaper M-model would appear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted January 5, 2021 Author Share #163 Posted January 5, 2021 Out of topic, "solid Ti" M7 not Ti coated ! just to say that M7 Titanium set exist Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayD28 Posted January 6, 2021 Share #164 Posted January 6, 2021 8 hours ago, andrew01 said: I agree with everything you suggest except the last point about discontinuing the MA. MA and MP are 99% the same camera and I suspect there would be negligible cost saving to discontinue the MA. The only effect would be to make the MA a collectible item and therefore less accessible for people who like the simplicity of a meter-less camera. Agree, Andrew. At least don't discontinue the MA until after I get a used one, and then the collectibility pricing can kick in. I've never used an MA but the descriptions in this forum sound wonderful, although I think it would get serious competition from my M3 and 28mm external viewfinder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
logan2z Posted January 6, 2021 Share #165 Posted January 6, 2021 32 minutes ago, RayD28 said: Agree, Andrew. At least don't discontinue the MA until after I get a used one, and then the collectibility pricing can kick in. I've never used an MA but the descriptions in this forum sound wonderful, although I think it would get serious competition from my M3 and 28mm external viewfinder. The MA is wonderful, I highly recommend it I have an M4 too (and an external 28mm viewfinder) but I tend to use my MA more frequently. Hoping to add an M3 soon and then I'm "done" 😋 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted January 6, 2021 Share #166 Posted January 6, 2021 11 hours ago, mole73 said: In my humble opinion it makes not much sense to keep the M-A in production when a cheaper M-model would appear. I don't think the attractiveness or otherwise of the M-A hinges on it being a few quid cheaper than the MP. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmans Posted January 6, 2021 Share #167 Posted January 6, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) I am happy to see this.....this means that Film is alive and well....and people are into it....great. Analog is not gone!!!! Regardless of cost, make-up, just Leica or perhaps other brands will follow?....who cares....great news!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
logan2z Posted January 6, 2021 Share #168 Posted January 6, 2021 12 hours ago, logan2z said: T😉he MA is wonderful, I highly recommend it I have an M4 too (and an external 28mm viewfinder) but I tend to use my MA more frequently. Hoping to add an M3 soon and then I'm "done" 😋 Of course I meant M-A, not MA. I followed @RayD28's lead and omitted the '-' 😉 Leica and their convoluted nomenclature... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted January 7, 2021 Share #169 Posted January 7, 2021 On 1/5/2021 at 8:36 PM, BradS said: ...I also often wonder about the leica zinc top plate...surely, this is also an alloy, not pure zinc ? It pretty much has to be. Elemental Zinc is brittle by nature and would not be a suitable material for 'hardware'. And, yes, Magnesium is a highly combustible element so is never used in its pure form for any 'domestic' constructional purposes. Even as an alloy it can still be extremely dangerous. Google 'Le Mans 1955 Disaster' for a fairly grotesque example. Actually; please don't. It's not a nice read. Philip. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark T Posted January 7, 2021 Share #170 Posted January 7, 2021 On 1/6/2021 at 5:07 AM, Stuart Richardson said: I think basically every metal used in camera body construction is an alloy. Typically the pure metals are either more reactive or have undesirable characteristics when unalloyed. Steel, brass etc, all alloys. I guess maybe only the super rare Titanium M's might be a pure metal...but even then, they might be a Ti alloy. Perhaps someone who knows more will chime in. I studied chemistry, but a million years ago, and not metallurgy. A lot of the confusion comes around because many people confuse alloy with aluminium - present company excluded. You are right in that native elements are very rare. Titanium is also alloyed with aluminium and vanadium. The proportions are varied to enhance different characteristic (for example strength vs material that can be "worked"). Even "Gold" is sold as alloy. Think 9 ct, 18 ct etc. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark T Posted January 7, 2021 Share #171 Posted January 7, 2021 (edited) Still, I would love a new, cheaper, film Leica. Or anything new and cheaper from Leica! 😆 Edited January 7, 2021 by Mark T Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rramesh Posted January 7, 2021 Share #172 Posted January 7, 2021 A cheap Leica in 2021 is an oxymoron in the Chinese Year of the Ox. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmen Posted January 7, 2021 Share #173 Posted January 7, 2021 So it has to be cheap, but not like the summarit range. It has to be traditional, but with automatic shutter-speed. It should not undermine the high standing of M-A and MP. I continue to think something like this could be the solution: a fully modernised Leica analogue camera, but without the rangefinder-viewfinder integration. This model has not advanced for the last half century or more, so it's ripe for auto exposure, some new materials, etc. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/316601-really-new-cheaper-film-m-in-2021/?do=findComment&comment=4113825'>More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted January 7, 2021 Share #174 Posted January 7, 2021 41 minutes ago, harmen said: So it has to be cheap, but not like the summarit range. It has to be traditional, but with automatic shutter-speed. It should not undermine the high standing of M-A and MP. I continue to think something like this could be the solution: a fully modernised Leica analogue camera, but without the rangefinder-viewfinder integration. This model has not advanced for the last half century or more, so it's ripe for auto exposure, some new materials, etc. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I rather see a coupled rangefinder, manual & aperture priority M style camera with a high quality fixed lens than something like that. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayD28 Posted January 7, 2021 Share #175 Posted January 7, 2021 21 hours ago, logan2z said: Of course I meant M-A, not MA. I followed @RayD28's lead and omitted the '-' 😉 Leica and their convoluted nomenclature... Logan, you should never rely on the names I call any Leica equipment. Someday I'll get it sorted out but that may take years. 🙁 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radost Posted February 19, 2021 Share #176 Posted February 19, 2021 On 12/31/2020 at 4:47 PM, frame-it said: hopefully without any electronics I hope it has electronics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltraDan Posted April 10, 2021 Share #177 Posted April 10, 2021 Fairly clear to see from the used prices that all Leica need to do is make something like the M7 again and they would make a killing. People are willing to pay £2300 upwards for a used M7 and probably £2000 upwards for an M6 that they are not sure how long it will last, I for one am looking at an M6 or M7 to go with my M4 but for the cost of them I think I'd either continue saving for an M-A/P or immediately jump on a newly released camera of similar nature dealing this year. I'm sure there would be huge demand for a new camera (relatively speaking). I would imagine any new camera would be £3000-£3500 in price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted April 14, 2021 Author Share #178 Posted April 14, 2021 On 4/10/2021 at 7:05 PM, UltraDan said: ... I would imagine any new camera would be £3000-£3500 in price. I hope you are right, (maybe £500 less ?). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaidshirts Posted April 14, 2021 Share #179 Posted April 14, 2021 "something similar to the Leica M6 TTL" This would be especially great if the new electronics fit in the old TTL's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted April 14, 2021 Author Share #180 Posted April 14, 2021 NO electronic at all would be great. And this would last, kind of M-B 😇 waiting for M-C ...untill M-Z in many many years. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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