jaapv Posted August 22, 2007 Share #1 Posted August 22, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) My January, 2nd gen post-banding M8 is on its first visit to Solms to be engraved. Of course Leica does an "Eingangspruefung" ( checkup) and lists the following items: Gravieren elektrischer Umbau E-messer justieren E-messer reinigen Gesamtabstimmug ( Engrave, electrical rebuild, adjust RF, clean RF, total adjustment) What intrigues me is the "Elektrischer Umbau" There must have been some hardware development since January... For the record, there was nothing wrong with the camera, not even focussing problems. I just hope that the RF adjustment is one to the next promille and not something that will throw it out with my lenses. It seems QC and tolerances have been tightened up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted August 22, 2007 Posted August 22, 2007 Hi jaapv, Take a look here Ongoing hardware upgrades??. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
carstenw Posted August 22, 2007 Share #2 Posted August 22, 2007 Let's hold off judgement on that last statement until it returns! One of my fears with sending in my M8 (and I do need to do that at some point; I have that messy highlight-edge maze artefact problem) is that I will lose my black dot and will have to redo the rangefinder adjustment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tummydoc Posted August 22, 2007 Share #3 Posted August 22, 2007 There must have been some hardware development since January... I never doubted the SDS didn't simply succumb to the M8's immune system;) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcoombs Posted August 22, 2007 Share #4 Posted August 22, 2007 Just curious, but what kind of engraving are you getting? Doug Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted August 22, 2007 Share #5 Posted August 22, 2007 Let's hold off judgement on that last statement until it returns! One of my fears with sending in my M8 (and I do need to do that at some point; I have that messy highlight-edge maze artefact problem) is that I will lose my black dot and will have to redo the rangefinder adjustment. Carsten when you say a highlight edge artifact are you talking in the rangefinder? My black M8 has a bad/bright glow/shine in the rangefinder patch when pointed at a light source higher then the camera. It is not there in the chrome unit and I don't remember it in the original chrome unit I had. I have to move my eye high in the eyepiece to get rid of it. It's like a internal reflection making the rangefinder patch hard to see, and or to bright to get a good image of when it is in-focus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted August 22, 2007 Share #6 Posted August 22, 2007 I am sending mine back at the end of November for an electrical check over to try and get rid of the STDS (sudden temporary death syndrome) and other minor electronic glitches like shutter needing to be pressed from time to time to wake up after switching on etc. I will get the other bits done as well and send my Elmarit 90/2.8 and Tele-Elmar 135/4 as the lenses to set the rangefinder to and hopefully this time, to get the 90 coded. I am not convinced it is worth coding the 135. I would guess there is one or more parts of the circuitry on earlier (mine is December build) M8's that Leica have their suspicions about and will just replace. I believe mine also has a poor shutter release/power switch too, which needs replacing. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 22, 2007 Author Share #7 Posted August 22, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Just curious, but what kind of engraving are you getting? Doug Just the Leica logo and my name on top Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted August 22, 2007 Share #8 Posted August 22, 2007 Ed, I have that problem with my M6, but not with my M8. Then again, the M7/M8 are meant to deal with that problem, but it is known in the M6. I wonder if something is wrong with your M8? Can you compare it with someone else's? I meant the maze-artefacts in images which you get not only when there is moire, but also sometimes when you have a very bright light with a dark region next to it. In the cross-over area there is sometimes a weird, maze-like pattern. Someone else mentioned that Leica had fixed his with some hardware change, so I expect to have to do the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
guy Posted August 22, 2007 Share #9 Posted August 22, 2007 Just the Leica logo and my name on top That sounds like a kinda cool idea! Can I be terribly intrusive and ask how much the engraving costs and how one goes about asking for it? I'm assuming my M8 will go back to Germany some time pretty soon, and if it does, well, I might be tempted to get it glammed up a bit... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 22, 2007 Author Share #10 Posted August 22, 2007 About 200 Euro for the engraving. Depends on what they have to put on. Just e-mail them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted August 22, 2007 Share #11 Posted August 22, 2007 Ed, I have that problem with my M6, but not with my M8. Then again, the M7/M8 are meant to deal with that problem, but it is known in the M6. I wonder if something is wrong with your M8? Can you compare it with someone else's? I meant the maze-artefacts in images which you get not only when there is moire, but also sometimes when you have a very bright light with a dark region next to it. In the cross-over area there is sometimes a weird, maze-like pattern. Someone else mentioned that Leica had fixed his with some hardware change, so I expect to have to do the same. Yes Carsten I compare it to my other M8, I own 2 of them. I know what you are talking about with the Maze affect. I took some shots of the sun very early in the morning last Saturday, it was huge and very yellow. I placed it in the corner of the frame and behind some tree branches. When I got home and looked at the shots the bottom of the sun had this maze pattern. I haven't seen it with just a bright light. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted August 23, 2007 Share #12 Posted August 23, 2007 What intrigues me is the "Elektrischer Umbau"There must have been some hardware development since January... Jaap-- Possibly what we're seeing in the States as "T2 update"? http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m8-forum/29556-t2-update.html#post331602: Oh, and as for the rangefinder adjustment--if they 'fix' it so your lenses no longer focus properly, then you can send them in to have them readjusted to the M8. So what appears on the statement as a courtesy (testing and adjusting the rangefinder even though you didn't request it) turns out to make Leica money after all when you send the lenses in for calibration. I think Leica has learned something about making money during the time they've been in business. --HC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted August 23, 2007 Share #13 Posted August 23, 2007 Does anyone own an M8 that hasn't been back to base in its first year of life? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted August 23, 2007 Share #14 Posted August 23, 2007 Does anyone own an M8 that hasn't been back to base in its first year of life? Yes, but I also own one that has been back twice (December banding fix and then a trip to sort out the rangefinder). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted August 23, 2007 Share #15 Posted August 23, 2007 Does anyone own an M8 that hasn't been back to base in its first year of life? Andy, We did this survey a few months ago and it was a surprisingly high percentage (I think about 80%+) who had had no major trouble. Mine keeps working but since Leica have offered to give mine the complete once over and it has a number of niggles, I am going to accept. My only concern is, I think the RF is OK, so if it ain't broke, should I have it fixed. I am hoping that they have got so good at M8 RF's now, that they can only improve it. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted August 23, 2007 Share #16 Posted August 23, 2007 Does anyone own an M8 that hasn't been back to base in its first year of life? Only had mine since January, but it's not been back. It's easy to get the impression from reading messages here that every camera has problems. That isn't the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 23, 2007 Author Share #17 Posted August 23, 2007 Just got a reply from Leica. The camera has indeed been developed further since January, they will bring mine up to the newest specs (free). The RF must be adjusted because they will remove the top, which might throw it out of adjustment. It is included in the price for engraving. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoin Posted August 23, 2007 Share #18 Posted August 23, 2007 My M8 is on it's way back to me as I write (today/tomorrow), It is one of the original Nov batch and had already been back to Solm in January for the upgrade. I was sent a 2nd time to Leica at their request due to focus issues with the Nocti and the service order states Receiving Inspection, electronic modification, adjust range finder, clean range finder, we make test pictures to test quality. The 3 lenses were all done inside a week with the body taking an extra 2 days. If there is any further detail in the service report (if I receive one) I'll let you know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted August 23, 2007 Share #19 Posted August 23, 2007 I await your report with bated breath! I am wondering if I should send in mine, due to maze issues around lights, button problems and a sticky scroll wheel. Mark, if you are reading this, is the scroll wheel something which we could lubricate ourselves? Mine moves stiffly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoin Posted August 23, 2007 Share #20 Posted August 23, 2007 Scroll wheel, it the most annoying piece of hardware I've ever had to use. It's form and design function are fine but mechanically it's a pain in the backside. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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