Can we expect an updated lens road map from Leica

[scott kirkpatrick]

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In the last minute or so of the Farkas/Lehrer show on the SL2-S, David Farkas dropped in a comment that in the Wetzlar announcement video (which must have been for dealers, as I can't find any sign of it) it was said that all three lenses were still hoped to ship in 2021.  Has anyone found a link to this video?

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[pedaes]

30 minutes ago, scott kirkpatrick said:

Has anyone found a link to this video?

It wasn't lost😉 

[scott kirkpatrick]

No, what I'm looking for is the video of a Wetzlar presentation, making mention of other events that might come in 2021.  Farkas mentions having seen or heard something interesting in such a video, but I haven't found it by Googling so far.

[Photoworks]

1 hour ago, scott kirkpatrick said:

No, what I'm looking for is the video of a Wetzlar presentation, making mention of other events that might come in 2021.  Farkas mentions having seen or heard something interesting in such a video, but I haven't found it by Googling so far.

It is in German , but  the takeaway is that they have the 3 wide angle lenses coming this year. and update in the spring of the SL2S and 2 ,5 months later same updates for the SL2.

At the end of the video they talk about the requests of Profoto triggers, they listen to the request and hope to have a solution soon. 

https://youtu.be/VDjMD_vN-Gg

 

[Jeff S]

3 minutes ago, Photoworks said:

It is in German , but  the takeaway is that they have the 3 wide angle lenses coming this year.

 

I presume you mean 2021, which is what Farkas said.

Jeff

[Photoworks]

1 hour ago, Jeff S said:

I presume you mean 2021, which is what Farkas said.

Jeff

I am confuse , wasn't it public that the next lenses in the line up are summicron-SL 28 24 21?

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they talk about faster zoom, they hear the request and take knowledge , but no disclosures 

Edited December 22, 2020 by Photoworks

[Jeff S]

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13 minutes ago, Photoworks said:

I am confuse , wasn't it public that the next lenses in the line up are summicron-SL 28 24 21?

 

 

Yes, but delayed until 2021 according to Farkas. Others here have reported that the 21 and 24 may not arrive until 2022; let’s hope that’s wrong.

Jeff

[Stuart Richardson]

1 hour ago, Photoworks said:

 

At the end of the video they talk about the requests of Profoto triggers, they listen to the request and hope to have a solution soon. 

https://youtu.be/VDjMD_vN-Gg

 

Oh, I would almost prefer that! After all, there are third party wide angle lenses and the Leica zooms, but no profoto integration...having ttl would be very useful for my work. I can use the flashes now, but when I use flash at night, I constantly have to just eyeball it and dial the flash up and down based on the distance to the subject matter. Would be nice to have a more integrated solution, and one that could do on the fly flash ev compensation etc.

[Stuart Richardson]

Just now, Jeff S said:

Yes, but delayed until 2021 according to Farkas. Others here have reported that the 21 and 24 may not arrive until 2022; let’s hope that’s wrong.

Jeff

2021 starts in 10 days, thankfully.

[Jeff S]

1 minute ago, Stuart Richardson said:

2021 starts in 10 days, thankfully.

The source that indicated 2022 for the 21/24, also said the 28 would be late 2021.  Hopefully the Miami guys are right.

Jeff

[matted]

7 hours ago, Photoworks said:

At the end of the video they talk about the requests of Profoto triggers, they listen to the request and hope to have a solution soon. 

https://youtu.be/VDjMD_vN-Gg

 

That’s great news about the Profoto triggers being in their radar. If that happens and the AF improves enough then I can say goodbye to my Fuji APSC system and go all in on Leica. Bonus points if the CL2 (if it happens) takes the same battery as my Q2 and soon to be SL2-S!

 

With regards to the lens roadmap, as long as the 21 or 24 gets released eventually I will be happy. And the more I think about it, the more I think I would be interested in a 28-70 zoom, if it was indeed half the size of the 24-90, and constant 2.8, especially if it is an internal zoom. 

Edited December 23, 2020 by matted

[scott kirkpatrick]

That video is helpful, but certainly not the last word on Leica scuttlebutt, as it is two guys at the Leica-Park store passing along what they have heard.  They are probably the heads of the store, like David and Josh in the Miami store, and they are certainly situated close to the action.  But I would look for comments that Peter Karbe has decided to share on lenses (he was the first to admit that the 21 and 24 would be coming much later than the 28 SL Summicron), or Stephan Daniel on bodies.  Stephan Daniel presented the SL2-S in Tokyo (on Zoom) but he stayed very close to the marketing materials as every word was carefully presented in English, then Japanese, with questions proceeding with equal precision in the reverse order.

Edited December 23, 2020 by scott kirkpatrick

[cheekz4dayz]

On 12/17/2020 at 6:00 PM, Steven said:

They obviously see it as a great opportunity to refresh their best seller, so they can sell it again to people who didn't buy it the first time and those who own it but will get gas and upgrade. 

 

No, it is aimed at updating the lens to the new tech. 

 

I disagree here as well. By making it narrower, they are solving the three issues that people complained about with the 24-90. They are, from the least important to the most important: 

3. The weight

2. The size

1. The variable aperture. 

If they can make a constant aperture 28-70 with the same IQ or better than the 24-90, and for half the size, guaranteed best seller. Also, I remind you that 24-90 is an odd range. The market standard is 24-70, and we've seen with the Canon RF 28-70 how giving up the 4mm on the wide end can have an enormous impact on IQ. 

Seems to me like the smartest move Leica has made in a long time. That and the SL2-S. 

I think you should watch the leica presentation by Peter Karbe on their philosophy on M & L systems. Based off of what they explained, my understanding is that in order to make a constant aperture zoom with the same quality as the current 24-90, the "new 24-70 zoom" would have to also be larger. They even talked about how they had to compromise with variable aperture on the current zooms to retain their image quality standards across their L mount lineup. I'm not saying you or your sources are wrong about the existence of said lens but I do think your expectations may be unrealistic. Unless if for the aforementioned "new zoom", they have no plans for it to resolve on larger than 24-47Mp sensors but then again that means the quality bar was sacrificed. Therefore meaning it wouldn't be the same quality as everything else in their lineup. I believe they rely on the L mount alliance for "different quality" leaned since they are a small company after all. 

 

Anyway this is just my pov, if they end up releasing said lens it would be interesting and I'll eat my words but keep in mind with physics all actions have consequences

[Jeff S]

20 minutes ago, cheekz4dayz said:

I think you should watch the leica presentation by Peter Karbe on their philosophy on M & L systems. Based off of what they explained, my understanding is that in order to make a constant aperture zoom with the same quality as the current 24-90, the "new 24-70 zoom" would have to also be larger. They even talked about how they had to compromise with variable aperture on the current zooms to retain their image quality standards across their L mount lineup. I'm not saying you or your sources are wrong about the existence of said lens but I do think your expectations may be unrealistic. Unless if for the aforementioned "new zoom", they have no plans for it to resolve on larger than 24-47Mp sensors but then again that means the quality bar was sacrificed. Therefore meaning it wouldn't be the same quality as everything else in their lineup. I believe they rely on the L mount alliance for "different quality" leaned since they are a small company after all. 

 

Anyway this is just my pov, if they end up releasing said lens it would be interesting and I'll eat my words but keep in mind with physics all actions have consequences

28-70 is the rumor, not 24-70.  That would presumably provide more opportunity for compactness.

Jeff

[toyfel]

8 hours ago, scott kirkpatrick said:

That video is helpful, but certainly not the last word on Leica scuttlebutt, as it is two guys at the Leica-Park store passing along what they have heard.  They are probably the heads of the store, like David and Josh in the Miami store, and they are certainly situated close to the action.  But I would look for comments that Peter Karbe has decided to share on lenses (he was the first to admit that the 21 and 24 would be coming much later than the 28 SL Summicron), or Stephan Daniel on bodies.  Stephan Daniel presented the SL2-S in Tokyo (on Zoom) but he stayed very close to the marketing materials as every word was carefully presented in English, then Japanese, with questions proceeding with equal precision in the reverse order.

One of them works for the Leica Store Wetzlar, the other one is actually a Leica employee if I am not mistaken. Anyway, there are just too many factors in the equation so whatever they say now may change tomorrow.

[beewee]

2 hours ago, Steven said:

What is the date that this video was published ? 

July 2020

https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/311355-peter-karbe-talk-about-lenses/

Edited December 23, 2020 by beewee

[Hanno]

On Leica Australia’s YouTube channel, there are two videos with Peter Karbe posted 3 months ago, one on the M lens design and one on the SL lens design:

With the below slide (screen shot) showing the full SL Summicron range...

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[MarkinVan]

On 12/17/2020 at 11:26 AM, michali said:

Agree. I downloaded the FW update this afternoon & after some brief testing on both the VE 24-90mm L & VE 90-280mm L,  I can confirm that it's made a huge difference to MF on these lenses.  

I've set the 24-90mm to 90º turn & the 90-280mm to 150º turn. MF is now fast & accurate, without literally going around in circles trying to lock on to focus.

Hi,

What version of FW is that and where did you download from.

In addition, where did you set those to 90 & 150 degree turns in MF.

Thanks.

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[scott kirkpatrick]

4 hours ago, MarkinVan said:

Hi,

What version of FW is that and where did you download from.

In addition, where did you set those to 90 & 150 degree turns in MF.

Thanks.

It's a lens firmware upgrade, found at https://us.leica-camera.com/Photography/Leica-SL/Leica-SL2-S/Downloads .  You install it like any firmware update, using an SL, SL2 or SL2-S.  The instruction to set the range of angular motion that give full range of focus movement are found on the SL2 and SL2-S under Focusing > MF setup.

Edited December 28, 2020 by scott kirkpatrick

[michali]

5 hours ago, MarkinVan said:

Hi,

What version of FW is that and where did you download from.

In addition, where did you set those to 90 & 150 degree turns in MF.

Thanks.

Further to Scott's message above, the FW download is the last one at the bottom of the page he's linked.

Once you've installed the FW on the SL2 go to:  Main Menu Pg.1 Focusing >  MF SET UP > you'll see the various turning degree options 90•  120• 150• ........