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7 hours ago, pippy said:

:huh:

Why?

He's specifically asking about a 50mm lens.

Why on Earth do you suggest a lens with a focal-length 50% longer than that being asked about? A lens which hasn't even been in production for 13 years and a lens which just happens to be one of the New Darlings in the world of 'The Collectors' and which has the price-ticket to match?

The OP is just entering the world of Leica for the first time. Give him a break.

Philip.

I give him a break with the Elmar50. It sounds a lot, 50% longer, but in my experience  the difference doesn’t feel that big. Head and shoulders, what David wishes, is perfectly possible with this lens and it is also very nice for children and double portraits. My point in the first place was btw that I support evikne’s plea to look for special lenses. For me there is no other argument for working with Leica than that. Because of that I came hooked to the M way of photography and I am now fused with this camera. But it all started because of its special lenses, not the rangefinder idea as such. And I advise David to go straight to the heart of Leica’s reason for existence. You seem to have a opposite view on this, that’s okay with me. It’s good that David hears various opinions. Oh, and the Summilux 75 is the least of a pure collector’s item, it’s a lens to makes photo’s with. https://lotwouda.zenfolio.com/p735541593  The M10 (and R) is the best rangefinder that this lens can have since it came out in the 80’s, it’s much better than former M’s had. 

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Simple question: do you need f/1.4? If yes you know the answer. If not, better get a 50/2 it will be smaller and lighter.

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50 APO... 300 g:  47x53 mm (1.85” x 2.09”) 50 f1.4...   330g:   52.5x53.5mm (2.07” x 2.11”) A blindfolded person could barely distinguish, let alone be pained by a hike. I sold my 50 AP

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I think you have already answered that question yourself. You want a Summilux (I assume you mean the ASPH version), so go and buy yourself a Summilux. It's a great lens, maybe the very best and most v

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20 hours ago, M10 for me said:

Hi David, when money and/or wheight are not the initial drivers then I would certainly go for f/1.4. Just a detail to note: the black 50mm model is much lighter than the silver one. Unfortunately I have the heavy silver one and because of its weight I decided to buy an additional 50mm and I choose the f/2.5 Summarit just before they withdrew it from market. Its wonderfully light and its sharpness is absolutely excellent. For me its a wonderfull light weight lens for hiking etc together with my 28mm Summicron. But I am aware that once light gets lesser in the evening then you are very happy with f/1.4. For these instances I have 2 Summilux: The 35mm and the 50mm.

Thanks, i only ever seem to buy black camera gear though!

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19 hours ago, otto.f said:

You are not alone 🎶 (Michael Jackson). I would advise David to go for the Summilux 75. He can explain to his wife that this an expensive enough lens to feel as new and it is unique. The 50lux’s bokeh is nothing compared to this 75. The Summicron 50 is not that special, so if David has to rethink this all he could in the mean time do very well with the Elmar-M 50/2.8 which is the best M lens for it’s price. 

THIS is brilliant!! In spite of what I said about cost I’m already ruling out the 50 APO on that basis and 75 Noctilux is nearly twice the price at £10,250.

I’d need to sell a couple of really nice guitars (Collings, Suhr etc) and maybe even a child or two to be able to get this past me, never mind her 😉

Thinking it through through, most of my pictures are taken at shorter focal lengths so I probably should n’t spend that much on something that would n’t come out of the bag too often.

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Summilux-M 75mm is far lighter/cheaper than Noctilux-M 75mm 😉.

Otto wrote Summilux NOT Noctilux,

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11 hours ago, steve 1959 said:

No need to bother with the visoflex/evf whichever you go for just focus the rangefinder and enjoy fantastic razor sharp images,i know i do.

Thanks, this is food for thought. I’ve taken the M10 R and 35 ‘cron out for the first real session of landscape photography this morning (Thornham, north Norfolk coast at dawn) and i was reminded of the rangefinder polarisor issues (of course, same applies to all filters), which again pushes me towards the Visoflex. I should have remembered this though from having a Mamiya 7II a couple of decades ago!!!

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Wide open, 100% crop, Summilux 50 from the tube
platform bench, hence 'Liverpool Street Metro Girl'

Nice bokeh don’t you think? As nice as the summicron?

If I had my time (and money) over again I would forget 
the 24, 35 and 90 I invested in and keep the Summilux
for the rest of my shooting life. In fact, I might even sell
my lenses, the M9 and M240 wait for the M11. If there 
is IBIS then I’ll do it, 40 mp really needs it. Otherwise
move up to the M10 R and take the drugs snipers use 😳

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On 12/5/2020 at 7:34 AM, otto.f said:

...I advise David to go straight to the heart of Leica’s reason for existence. You seem to have a opposite view on this, that’s okay with me......

You have read a myriad of things into my posts which don't exist, Otto.

I've never once expressed my own lens preferences in this thread - merely offered a 'newbie' to the Leica rangefinder world my suggestions as to what might be a reasonable starting point based on my own experiences - post #67 being the most clear in terms of my point of view. Please feel free to go through every one of my posts in the thread if you doubt what I am saying here.

And as far as the 75mm Summilux is concerned; as it happens I actually made a trip in to town earlier this year specifically to buy an example but, unfortunately, it wasn't in very good condition so I passed but I probably will pick one up at some point. I don't need it but I just quite fancy having one because I, too, happen to like the way it renders.

But a 75mm is absolutely not the same as a 50mm so I stand by my comments on that score.

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42 minutes ago, David_miller70 said:

Thank you everybody,

after reading all of your posts (multiple times) and a lot more research on the web and YouTube, I finally placed my order for a Summilux this morning. Happy days ahead 🙂

Best wishes,

David 

Great choice. You won't regret it 🙂

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Am 8.12.2020 um 20:07 schrieb Stripey Badger:

Wide open, 100% crop, Summilux 50 from the tube
platform bench, hence 'Liverpool Street Metro Girl'

Nice bokeh don’t you think? As nice as the summicron?

If I had my time (and money) over again I would forget 
the 24, 35 and 90 I invested in and keep the Summilux
for the rest of my shooting life. In fact, I might even sell
my lenses, the M9 and M240 wait for the M11. If there 
is IBIS then I’ll do it, 40 mp really needs it. Otherwise
move up to the M10 R and take the drugs snipers use 😳

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Looks like you‘re really committed🤨!

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On 12/1/2020 at 5:58 AM, David_miller70 said:

Sorry, this must have been asked before but my search did n’t pull anything up in the first few pages.

I’m upgrading from the Fuji X series in which I always went for the fastest lens variant irrespective of size / weight.

I’m taking a different tact with Leica, especially at the wider end and I’ve started with the 35 F2 and plan on getting the 21 F3.4

However, I’m struggling to decide on the 50 mm, is it still the f 2 I should go for or is the f 1.4 brighter enough weigh better enough bokeh to be worth it.

Thanks, David

Depending on your distance to the subject (and your point of focus), at f1.4, your subject's nose may be out of focus when you focus on the eye.

So whether an f1.4 of f2, it would depend on what kind of look you are after.

Cheers

Aldric

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