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Having recently purchased a IIIf from ebay for £109, I was naturally excited at the prospect of becoming a Leica owner.

However, I was advised by the seller that there is an issue with the advance knob making a clicking sound just before it completes a full rotation, sometimes not making a full rotation at all.

On investigating the issue, I've found that when the slow speed dial is set to 30 (where it locks into place), the problem vanishes and it works apparently flawlessly. However, when the slow speed dial is set to another number, the problem increases to a point where, when set at 1 or 10, the camera stops short of a complete advance and would require excessive force to turn further. And, of course, the shutter stops short (as seen in the photo).

Am I doing something wrong or is there a mechanical issue?

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It doesn't seem to be.

As I said in my post, the shutter only fails to slide fully across when the slow speed dial is set to either 1 or 10. When locked to 30, the camera behaves as normal, with the shutter sliding fully across. There are no holes or tears in it.

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A question I forgot to ask: Is there supposed to be a resistance at the end of a full advance when the slow dial is set to higher or lower numbers?

I've noticed that when set to 1, as well as the resistance and click, there's also a whirring sound which I assume to be the mechanism for keeping the shutter open for 1 second.

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If setting a speed slower than 1/30 the main dial should be first set to 1/30 and then you set the slower speed on the second dial. Nothing should need any force so it seems like you camera needs a CLA which given the price you paid will still represent excellent value knowing you have a camera that should be fine for another 20 or more years.

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9 minutes ago, Steve H said:

A question I forgot to ask: Is there supposed to be a resistance at the end of a full advance when the slow dial is set to higher or lower numbers?

I've noticed that when set to 1, as well as the resistance and click, there's also a whirring sound which I assume to be the mechanism for keeping the shutter open for 1 second.

The whirring and click are normal, there shouldn't be any perceptible resistance though.

It looks as though you may be in the UK? if so and you decide on a CLA then Aperture in London now work on Leica's. Three years ago they did a great job on two of my  Rolleiflex TLRs so it might be an idea to give them a call. The repairers with the best reputation, Cameraworks - UK, are snowed under with work at the moment. 

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Thank you. I have already tried that procedure. The results are as follows:

30 - no resistance 

20 - very slight resistance

15 - slight resistance 

10 - heavy resistance

The same applies going the other way, 4-2-1 and T. In fact, set to T, I'm too afraid to force it.

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5 minutes ago, Matlock said:

The whirring and click are normal, there shouldn't be any perceptible resistance though.

It looks as though you may be in the UK? if so and you decide on a CLA then Aperture in London now work on Leica's. Three years ago they did a great job on two of my  Rolleiflex TLRs so it might be an idea to give them a call. The repairers with the best reputation, Cameraworks - UK, are snowed under with work at the moment. 

I've contacted cameraworks-UK.com to get some advice on repair and cost.

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9 minutes ago, Steve H said:

I've contacted cameraworks-UK.com to get some advice on repair and cost.

Well I hope you have more luck than me, I contacted them about 4 months ago and still no reply, as I said the are snowed under with work at the moment, that is why I recommended Aperture. I would still prefer Cameraworks - UK but only if they can carry out the work in a reasonable time. Good luck and keep us informed.

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7 minutes ago, Matlock said:

Well I hope you have more luck than me, I contacted them about 4 months ago and still no reply, as I said the are snowed under with work at the moment, that is why I recommended Aperture. I would still prefer Cameraworks - UK but only if they can carry out the work in a reasonable time. Good luck and keep us informed.

I read on their website a waiting time of up to 6 months for anyone sending cameras in. They may also have to suspend accepting work indefinitely if they get to inundated with work.

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Ok, got it wrong with the click. Thought it could be heard at the curtain. The problem is in the area of the winding button, connection to the long-time Knob. Too dry, too strict, to strong spring, a blockage.
In any case, you have to dismantle, clean and lubricate the camera. Do not try it any longer!

No matter what time you set. It should never work harder or easier. With a Contax, yes. But not with a Leica!

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I've just realised something.

There is a missing screw on the advance knob. Could this be related to my problem?

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2 hours ago, Reini said:
14 minutes ago, spydrxx said:

Get the CLA and become a happy user. You'll be surprised at how smoothly things work afterwards. In the meantime, don't force anything, as you may aggravate wear on irreplaceable parts.

I'll wait to get a quote. What I mentioned earlier about the missing screw was a mistake. It is present, just set quite deep.

 

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