Raymondl Posted October 27, 2020 Share #41 Posted October 27, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) 4 minutes ago, Steven said: Interesting. You preferred no 2 in both photos ? Yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tom1234 Posted October 27, 2020 Author Share #42 Posted October 27, 2020 2 hours ago, Raymondl said: @Tom1234 Hope you are well note that I am not trying to steer this thread to a certain direction as I have “both” higher MP and lower MP cameras. Additionally I just wanted to form a better understanding of the different opinions. Some opinions I may not agree with, but that’s fine.. at the end of the day that’s why we have choice.. SO... how does the lens optics play a part on higher MP image ? E.g. using old lenses that are (NOT) very “sharp” by modern standards. In the link below, you can download a down res file (16MP) and there are 2 images.. both are shot with a 50mm lens from the 50’s but one is shot wide open (“full of character”) while the other is shot at F8. keen on hearing your thoughts in addition to others. https://photos.app.goo.gl/booSewXedevGVqC77 Number 1 is atmospheric. Number 2 is detailed. Just two different aesthetic expressions. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom1234 Posted October 27, 2020 Author Share #43 Posted October 27, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Steven said: Just did another comparison test for myself. I'm sharing it with you guys but please note it was only intended for my personal use originally. It is not scientific and not perfect (because I don't care). Its more of a real world comparison (shot handheld, with the time between the shot to switch the lens on the two bodies). But as you know what I care about is the general feeling. Not the brick wall study. So it was useful or me. Two other twists compared to the examples above: 1. This is not 24mp vs 40mp, but 12mp vs 24mp, sorry! Still useful and on point I think. 2. M10P vs ..... A7SIII (both with the 35mm 1.4 Lux Pre FLE) Let me know which one you think which? https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1YtZbcLOWQ2niaa54a1CBhO78zkDQbwa6?usp=sharing PS. All straight out of camera. No edit. The same as Raymondl. Number two just seems more detailed than number 1. The detail jumps out demanding specific attention so I get less of a summary effect and hang on details instead. My preference would the the effect I wanted. Edited October 27, 2020 by Tom1234 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard Posted October 27, 2020 Share #44 Posted October 27, 2020 vor 19 Stunden schrieb Steven: Images are more interesting if they are less sharp No need for a Leica then! Just grab a Lomo ... 🙂 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
didier Posted October 27, 2020 Share #45 Posted October 27, 2020 22 hours ago, 250swb said: I'd say the 24mp images look more interesting generally speaking, and 18mp images more than that. I'm not seeing harsh 40mp images, just flat boring bland images. Isn’t this mainly / simply a question of post-processing ? they are flat because of High Dynamic Range, and you can of course work on the file to get the result you want Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raymondl Posted October 27, 2020 Share #46 Posted October 27, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Steven said: Both images were shot at 1.4 and ISO 800. I have to say that Sony really improved their color science in the A7SIII, even compared to the A7RIV.... For raw files, its quite the same now. Not sure the if the BSI sensor has anything to do with it, but adapting a Leica lens now seems completely doable. The improved focus peaking settings change improve the shooting experience too. Anyway, back to main topic of the thread, its quite amazing that everyone im showing it too prefers the 12MP image than the 24MP. Nice ! Haha I am surprised that the Sony files held more details on the corners than the Leica when I was comparing corner performance (pavement) I guess I can’t tell the difference..which I will admit.. but it definitely says a lot about whether I should upgrade from my existing camera (M9). Here is what I am used to seeing from my Leica (unprocessed) https://photos.app.goo.gl/DRuL4CS53VHk8zfv8 Edited October 27, 2020 by Raymondl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted October 27, 2020 Share #47 Posted October 27, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) So. The holy grail still eludes us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom1234 Posted October 27, 2020 Author Share #48 Posted October 27, 2020 7 hours ago, Steven said: …Anyway, back to main topic of the thread, its quite amazing that everyone im showing it too prefers the 12MP image than the 24MP. Could it be… that using the least meg resolution, that gets the job done, is more pleasing? This would mean that adjusting resolution up and down in post should help - have you guys tried this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom1234 Posted October 27, 2020 Author Share #49 Posted October 27, 2020 7 hours ago, Steven said: I felt disgust shooting with my A7SIII this morning. My creativity is much more stimulated with an M in my hands. But we must admit that the 12MP sensor of the A7SIII seems to produce great results with Leica lens, with the added benefit of 10 Bit 422 beautiful 4K video. Me too as above, yet... My official camera maker statement… at least for today while I am feeling good… I love all camera makers.. but I love Leica more. Finally of all the women chasing you… you must choose one. Leica is the one. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted October 27, 2020 Share #50 Posted October 27, 2020 4 hours ago, didier said: Isn’t this mainly / simply a question of post-processing ? they are flat because of High Dynamic Range, and you can of course work on the file to get the result you want Yes, but not many people do any post processing so what you see are more or less straight out of the camera pictures. If the camera isn't inspiring anybody to do better when presented with great files what is the point of it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lelmer Posted October 27, 2020 Share #51 Posted October 27, 2020 6 minutes ago, Steven said: Could be. Why not. I loved all my 12MP & 24MP cameras in the past.... You don't love them anymore ??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nowhereman Posted October 27, 2020 Share #52 Posted October 27, 2020 Whoever wants the best possible files straight out of the camera can get this from the last few versions of an iPhone or another smartphone camera — you won't need to worry about flat files. Deciding between an M10 and and M10-R, you need to see what you can do with the the malleable files, in terms of what you want — and that depends on knowing what is possible and as well what you want. Like 250swb, from what I've seen so far from the M10-R and, for that matter, from the M10-M as well, I prefer to keep my M10. Indeed, going by what I've seen so far, I prefer having a 24 MP camera than one with 40 MP.____________________Frog Leaping photobook Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nowhereman Posted October 27, 2020 Share #53 Posted October 27, 2020 ^ Of course I did not say that the iPhone was the best camera. I have an M10 and and the Ricoh GR3 as well as the GRD4, which I still use occasionally. I don't use my iPhone for photography.____________________Frog Leaping photobook Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeheartny Posted October 27, 2020 Share #54 Posted October 27, 2020 13 hours ago, Steven said: Here's another point on topic:: yesterday I adapted my 35 pre FLE lux to my A7SIII and shot side by side photos with the M10P, at night in town. Sure, I gave an advantage to the Sony by choosing lowlight for the test, but I would say that 90% of the out of camera shots were nicer from the Sony. Furthermore, with a couples touches to the temperature and tint sliders in LR, I could match both images so well is seconds, to a point where no one, I assure you no one, would be able to tell a difference in a blind test. This might be a topic of interest for a new thread ? Or no one cares about Sony bodies here? I would be very, very interested in this test result and side by side comparisons between those two cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeheartny Posted October 27, 2020 Share #55 Posted October 27, 2020 51 minutes ago, Steven said: I posted a few comparaison shots this morning. Check out post #51 for more info. I’ll try to post more soon. Can you try to grab some of more "real world" scenarios, i.e. portraits a few feet away with the lens wide open or stopped down a bit (no more than f/2.8)? I'd be grateful! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raymondl Posted October 27, 2020 Share #56 Posted October 27, 2020 @Steven @eyeheartny have you guys seen this comparison ? It’s not an Apple to apples comparison but it’s quite interesting. Leica - Sony - Fujifilm Additionally links to the images have been provided. link to images - https://onedrive.live.com/?authkey=!AFveXrl0gAadkLU&id=8821834201DD14A3!548689&cid=8821834201DD14A3 video (refer to description) - 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeheartny Posted October 27, 2020 Share #57 Posted October 27, 2020 43 minutes ago, Steven said: I could try to shoot portraits of a doll outdoor at 1.4 with both cameras and the Lux on if that'd be helpful? I used to ask my wife to pose for my camera comparison, but she long ago lost her patience... Sure, that would be great! Anything that's more real-world would be awesome. Thank you! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted October 27, 2020 Share #58 Posted October 27, 2020 There are nearly 8 years of 24MPx M shots floating around. Every single one is brilliant. I know I was getting far better results when I was shooting with the 240 and 10. The R has been a total disappointment. I call Bags every day begging him to sell me my old M10 back. I mean look at these boring, live-less, flat crap images this pile of junk has produced in the last week or two. Woe is me. I should have waited for an iPhone 12. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 12 4 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/314500-24meg-verses-40meg-aesthetic/?do=findComment&comment=4069516'>More sharing options...
eyeheartny Posted October 27, 2020 Share #59 Posted October 27, 2020 32 minutes ago, Raymondl said: @Steven @eyeheartny have you guys seen this comparison ? It’s not an Apple to apples comparison but it’s quite interesting. Leica - Sony - Fujifilm Additionally links to the images have been provided. link to images - https://onedrive.live.com/?authkey=!AFveXrl0gAadkLU&id=8821834201DD14A3!548689&cid=8821834201DD14A3 video (refer to description) - I had seen this, yes. I think that test was somewhat problematic as the photographer used JPEGs and it wasn't a great comparison overall. What I'm most curious about is the Leica lenses on a Sony body and comparing performance across different sensor resolutions/etc. For me the question comes down to whether there's a body that gives a comparably small package (with lens mounted) that performs to 85% or so of the Leica body while offering focus peaking and other aids that the M bodies are missing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeheartny Posted October 27, 2020 Share #60 Posted October 27, 2020 6 minutes ago, Tailwagger said: There are nearly 8 years of 24MPx M shots floating around. Every single one is brilliant. I know I was getting far better results when I was shooting with the 240 and 10. The R has been a total disappointment. I call Bags every day begging him to sell me my old M10 back. I mean look at these boring, live-less, flat crap images this pile of junk has produced in the last week or two. Woe is me. I should have waited for an iPhone 12. Some really fabulous shots in here! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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