Per P. Posted October 14, 2020 Share #21  Posted October 14, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) 22 hours ago, wda said: I suspect that is a psychological reaction based on its lower price. Cheap it most certainly isn't. Precisely. And cheap it most certainly doesn't feel either. For me it resembles many Leica R lenses with the rubber grip and separate lens shade. Anyway, each to their own. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pippy Posted October 14, 2020 Share #22 Â Posted October 14, 2020 (edited) I'm another who has a preference for the Summarit. I've currently got 3 Leica 90s and the Summarit - mine is the f2.5 version - is the only one I will use these days. I love its rendering, its size and its weight. I like the screw-in hood and the way it can be reversed over the lens and have the cap attached when packed away. I also prefer the feel of the much-derided rubber ring. FWIW I also had a 90 Summicron for a while. I know I'll be in the minority but for my needs it was the least pleasant to use and is the only one I've let go. Philip. Edited October 14, 2020 by pippy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilmDame Posted October 16, 2020 Share #23  Posted October 16, 2020 Hmm. I've been on this forum for less than 24 hours and already the takeaway I'm getting is that one 90mm is fine but 2 or 3 is better! This is going to be dangerous.  I had been wrestling with whether to keep the Elmarit-M I've been testing or look for something lighter. I've been spoiled by my 35 and 50 v4 summicrons; they allowed me to stop lugging my Rolliflex around for travel photography, and still achieve the perfect balance of sharpness and beauty on black and white film. What I'm gathering from the posts I read is that the Elmarit-M would be good to hang on to for event shoots and possibly portraits, and that I'll keep an eye out for a Macro-Elmar for travel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigdukeron Posted October 16, 2020 Share #24 Â Posted October 16, 2020 Just to throw in another: the Thambar 2.2 will make you rethink light... but unfocusable without LV Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stein K S Posted October 16, 2020 Share #25  Posted October 16, 2020 (edited) I only own the Elmarit-M. And I am not a very frequent user of the 90mm focal length. But when I do bring this lens along now and then, it delivers a truly pleasant rendering with the right kind of classic sharpness and with a clean and ¨undisturbed¨ (relaxed) impression. Just very very nice and pleasant. Can exhibit some flare though... which I myself do not care about 😀 Edited October 16, 2020 by Stein K S 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilmDame Posted October 17, 2020 Share #26  Posted October 17, 2020 14 hours ago, Stein K S said: I only own the Elmarit-M. And I am not a very frequent user of the 90mm focal length. But when I do bring this lens along now and then, it delivers a truly pleasant rendering with the right kind of classic sharpness and with a clean and ¨undisturbed¨ (relaxed) impression. Just very very nice and pleasant. Can exhibit some flare though... which I myself do not care about 😀 Perfect. Thank you, that's what I needed to hear. And the shots that came up in the darkroom today proved the point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banci Posted October 18, 2020 Author Share #27 Â Posted October 18, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) On 10/16/2020 at 10:13 AM, Bigdukeron said: Just to throw in another: the Thambar 2.2 will make you rethink light... but unfocusable without LV I'm sorry but I don't see any practical use in the Thambar, it is just a crazy expensive lens for collector, any 50$ lens is better than that.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banci Posted October 18, 2020 Author Share #28 Â Posted October 18, 2020 I've decided to go with the Elmarit-M, I'll just have to wait to find the "right one", at the right price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted October 19, 2020 Share #29  Posted October 19, 2020 Elmarit-m for me, I think it is an excellent lens. Good examples are frequently available and I see little point in considering a summarit whilst elmarit-m lenses are cheaper by comparison. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susie Posted October 19, 2020 Share #30  Posted October 19, 2020 On 10/16/2020 at 1:52 AM, FilmDame said: Hmm. I've been on this forum for less than 24 hours and already the takeaway I'm getting is that one 90mm is fine but 2 or 3 is better! This is going to be dangerous.  What I'm gathering from the posts I read is that the Elmarit-M would be good to hang on to for event shoots and possibly portraits, and that I'll keep an eye out for a Macro-Elmar for travel. I have several 90mm lenses (well, 11 of them - one of my favourite focal lengths) and prefer to use the small tele-elmarit for travel, as it is small and gives really good results. Although I have a macro-elmar I find it always collapses as I try to fit the lens hood and find it hasn't got enough to hold when focussing.   (For travel though, the Rollei is still good! Shhh!) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigdukeron Posted October 19, 2020 Share #31  Posted October 19, 2020 19 hours ago, Banci said: I'm sorry but I don't see any practical use in the Thambar, it is just a crazy expensive lens for collector, any 50$ lens is better than that..  I obviously disagree. There is more to that lens, but it is very hard to make it work and look spectacular and not 50$. I myself have not really achieved this but here is a link of someone who in my eyes has: https://www.iamnotanartist.net/portfolio_page/poesia-dei-fiori/ When you close down to F4 it becomes a normal 90mm... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilmDame Posted October 21, 2020 Share #32  Posted October 21, 2020 On 10/19/2020 at 7:22 AM, Susie said: I have several 90mm lenses (well, 11 of them - one of my favourite focal lengths) and prefer to use the small tele-elmarit for travel, as it is small and gives really good results. Although I have a macro-elmar I find it always collapses as I try to fit the lens hood and find it hasn't got enough to hold when focussing.   (For travel though, the Rollei is still good! Shhh!) 11!!! You fling the doors wide open! Well, just today I sent the Elmarit-M back. The images weren't the look I've come to love. I bought a Summicron v3 and look forward to shooting with it this weekend. I'd been scared off by the complaints about the weight, but if you're used to working with the Rollei, and 4 x 5s when in the mood, it doesn't seem so heavy anymore. One of my 4 x 5s is a Speed Graphic set up with a Kodak Aero Ektar lens. That's my version of your Thambar, Bigdukeron. Also difficult to master; it took a couple of years a while back to nail what I was looking for. Always fun, always magical. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susie Posted October 21, 2020 Share #33  Posted October 21, 2020 (edited) I see what you like about the Aero Ektar, and no, the Elmarit wouldn't do this! Have you considered something like the 75mm f/1.4 Summilux, or even the older 73mm f/1.9 Hektor? The Ektar isn't soft at all, ( it needs to be really sharp to do its intended job!) but just shows beautiful modelling and plasticity. This is probably a combination of long focal length, large open stop and a sharp lens computation. The Thambar might give that look, but you'd have to experiment: you would not need the centre spot filter which would make the image soft.  I have no experience with the newer large aperture lenses so cannot comment on these. Milan S is the guy to help with this! Edited October 21, 2020 by Susie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banci Posted October 21, 2020 Author Share #34  Posted October 21, 2020 (edited) On 10/19/2020 at 2:11 PM, Bigdukeron said:  I obviously disagree. There is more to that lens, but it is very hard to make it work and look spectacular and not 50$. I myself have not really achieved this but here is a link of someone who in my eyes has: https://www.iamnotanartist.net/portfolio_page/poesia-dei-fiori/ When you close down to F4 it becomes a normal 90mm... I'm sorry, I don't like those shots.. I don't see the point of spending more than 6k for a "Trioplan-like" lens; if I have to close it to f4 in order to get decent results, I would rather buying a real 90, even a Leica one for a fraction of the price.. Edited October 21, 2020 by Banci Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 21, 2020 Share #35  Posted October 21, 2020 I don't own a Thambar but i would't buy one to get decent results i guess. There are plenty of Leica and non Leica lenses for that. BTW the 90/2 v3 is more than decent too. Very close to the 90/2.8 v2 at f/2.8 and on i like it much for not too sharp portraits at f/2. Suffers a lot from CA though and mine needed to be calibrated for digital. I prefer the v2 from this standpoint but it is a bulky lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stef63 Posted October 21, 2020 Share #36  Posted October 21, 2020 3 hours ago, Banci said: I don't see the point of spending more than 6k for a "Trioplan-like" lens; if I have to close it to f4 in order to get decent results, I would rather buying a real 90, even a Leica one for a fraction of the price.. It all depends of the definition of "decent results".  You are correct that on a scale of 1 to 10 of what we in general see as "lens quality" the Thambar will score the lowest and get a 1 or 2 .  Even stopped down.  Frankly at F4 it is only "ok", but not at that price point.  For 99% of purposes it is not a good choice.  But believe me, you can get spectacular results with this lens, if you like that type of pictures.  It enables you to paint with light, very difficult to use but super rewarding at the same time. So if you think you are in for a "90 mm lens" the Thambar is not a good choice.  If you think you are in for a "crazy lens" the Thambar is the one to get. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
derleicaman Posted October 23, 2020 Share #37 Â Posted October 23, 2020 The Thambar is a rather difficult lens. I call it the lens that I love to hate, or maybe it just hates me! Milan S is a true master of it. We discussed possibly doing a one day workshop in Wetzlar with the Thambar next year when I do one of my Leica Tours Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stef63 Posted October 23, 2020 Share #38 Â Posted October 23, 2020 12 hours ago, derleicaman said: Milan S is a true master of it. We discussed possibly doing a one day workshop in Wetzlar with the Thambar next year when I do one of my Leica Tours Count me in ! Â Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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