Sl vs Panasonic s1

[Haribhau]

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Question for SL users: I have the opportunity to trade my Panasonic S1 (that I se with SL glass) for a Leica SL. Of course I will spend some cash out of pocket.  I wanted to find out if anyone has experience with a similar shift and what factors I must keep in mind in going from an S1 to a relatively older (technology wise) camera body.  Also I mostly use this for shooting in a studio. 
Pic (shot on the s1) for attention. 
Greatly appreciate your thoughts.  
Thank you.

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[Chaemono]

As a Portrait Masters Image Awards Bronze winner you should be telling us. 😂

[nico4444]

What are you looking for in the SL? Is it something your S1 is missing? 
Glass is more important than the body, so you can make a good case for Leica lenses against LUMIX lenses, but the two bodies are way too similar to each other to justify paying a premium on one over the other.

[AZN]

One benefit is that the SL will work better with WA M lenses, especially “difficult” ones like the ASPH Summicrons 35mm or 28mm

FWIW I have the SL and am thinking of going the other way - SL Typ601 to new Panasonic S5.  Mainly for the better low light performance and IBIS. Plan to use it with my Leica R lenses mostly, so aren’t too worried about WA M lenses.

[Chaemono]

vor 6 Stunden schrieb Haribhau:

...what factors I must keep in mind in going from an S1 to a relatively older (technology wise) camera body.  Also I mostly use this for shooting in a studio.

Greatly appreciate your thoughts.  
Thank you.

 

One factor that you should be aware of is that the S1 just like most newer FF cameras suffers from ISO inflation. ISO 800 on the S1 is only ISO 400 on the SL, ISO 1600 on the S1 is only ISO 800 on the SL, and so on. 
 

[tom.w.bn]

vor 2 Stunden schrieb Chaemono:

One factor that you should be aware of is that the S1 just like most newer FF cameras suffers from ISO inflation. ISO 800 on the S1 is only ISO 400 on the SL, ISO 1600 on the S1 is only ISO 800 on the SL, and so on. 
 

Both are very close together in their deviation from the ISO values.

https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/Measured_ISO.htm#Leica SL (Typ 601),Panasonic Lumix DC-S1

[tom.w.bn]

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vor 9 Stunden schrieb Haribhau:

Question for SL users: I have the opportunity to trade my Panasonic S1 (that I se with SL glass) for a Leica SL. Of course I will spend some cash out of pocket.  I wanted to find out if anyone has experience with a similar shift and what factors I must keep in mind in going from an S1 to a relatively older (technology wise) camera body.  Also I mostly use this for shooting in a studio. 
Pic (shot on the s1) for attention. 
Greatly appreciate your thoughts.  
Thank you.

 

Why would you do this? You go slightly backwards with dynaimc range and tonal range and the EVF is older with less resolution.

[Haribhau]

Thank you, all.  I greatly appreciate your pointed feedback. 

[FlashGordonPhotography]

15 hours ago, Chaemono said:

One factor that you should be aware of is that the S1 just like most newer FF cameras suffers from ISO inflation. ISO 800 on the S1 is only ISO 400 on the SL, ISO 1600 on the S1 is only ISO 800 on the SL, and so on. 
 

No. This is not true. And even if it was the S1 is better in both DR and noise with any differences taken into account.

Gordon

[Chaemono]

vor 5 Stunden schrieb FlashGordonPhotography:

No. This is not true. And even if it was the S1 is better in both DR and noise with any differences taken into account.

Gordon

Care to bother to post some evidence for what you’re saying?

[tom0511]

I once had a SL and S1R. For me I prefer the slimmer user interface of the SL. However I found the AF of the S1r slightly ahead. And the articulating screen sometimes can be usefull. Still for me the SL/SL2 UI work somewhat better.

[michali]

41 minutes ago, tom0511 said:

I once had a SL and S1R. For me I prefer the slimmer user interface of the SL. However I found the AF of the S1r slightly ahead. And the articulating screen sometimes can be usefull. Still for me the SL/SL2 UI work somewhat better.

+1 agree. After 3 months with the S1R I went back to my SL. I could never really gel with the S1R,  far too many buttons & for me, many superfluous functions. I also found the images somewhat too clinical, others disagree. 

I've just sold my SL & kept the SL2 with the CL as back up /tele converter with my long lenses, SL2 & CL have the same menu interface. 

Edited September 21, 2020 by michali

[_Michael]

I know this will sound a bit like fan-boy or biased talk, but the handling and usage experience of the Leica, at least for me, stands head and shoulders about the S1. While I appreciate the capabilities of the S1 all the controls and menu system is just not something I personally care for. I like the look of the SL better. I like the handling better. I like the simple buttons with no labels. These little details, along with the excellent performance make a difference for me.  I came to Leica for simplicity and that pointed me to M. I've strayed away from the classic simplicity and added some modern function and handling with the SL but the result has been excellent. 

For you decision, that's all on you. Not sure you gain much from an output perspective with S1 to SL but you could lose some features important to you.

 

[Haribhau]

I guess my question was a fan boy question as well.  I use sl glass on the s1 and eventually got the m10p, and hopefully the m10r next week.  I do enjoy the M that the S1 in some sense feels too technical. 
 

I think I will stay with the s1 for right now and go to the SL2.  Moreover, now that Profoto finally decided to support Panasonic, holding in the S1 might be worthwhile.  So for more reasons than one I feel attracted to the SL; but just feel a tad uncomfortable betting on a five year old system.  
Thank you everyone for all the feedback.  
greatly appreciated. 

[Archiver]

On 9/20/2020 at 12:49 PM, AZN said:

One benefit is that the SL will work better with WA M lenses, especially “difficult” ones like the ASPH Summicrons 35mm or 28mm

FWIW I have the SL and am thinking of going the other way - SL Typ601 to new Panasonic S5.  Mainly for the better low light performance and IBIS. Plan to use it with my Leica R lenses mostly, so aren’t too worried about WA M lenses.

I'm engaging in one of those internal gear debates right now. I want a camera for the primary purpose of shooting sports, documentary and portraits, and my usual combination of M9 and 5D Mark II isn't cutting it any more. Video is secondary as I'm happy with my Panasonic G9, but if I can get a camera that does both stills and video very well, I'll go there. The Canon R6 and Sony A7S III are on the list, but I'm also considering the Panasonic S5. The S5 offers excellent video, stabilization, a very compact body and reasonable AF and burst mode. Not at the same level as the Canon R6, but it could be acceptable.

The only caveat is that I want to be able to use my M lenses, and a secondhand SL is the only remotely affordable way to do that. Not to mention, the SL gets up to 11fps in raw burst mode, which would be an absolute boon for the sports photography I do.

If I go with the S5, it's a more up to date body with arguably better sensor, flip screen, high end video quality,  With adapters, I can use lenses from Canon EF and FD, Minolta MD and Pentax K. But it won't work with M lenses as well as the SL, which lacks some of the better features of the S5, but has 11fps burst mode and reasonable video quality. Then there's the S1, but again, doesn't play so well with M lenses. If I get the SL, it would be primarily a stills tool, but if I'm spending that money, it's better financial sense to get something which is capable of video, too.

Still thinking.

Edited October 3, 2020 by Archiver

[OR120]

Why does the Lumix S1 not work as well as the Leica SL - with Leica M lenses? That seems to be what I'm reading in the above posts. From a Steve Huff video (

) - he glows about the results of Leica M lenses on the Lumix S1. I'm looking at this Lumix S1 - only using it with my Leica M lenses. Thank you for your opinions.

[AZN]

6 hours ago, OR120 said:

he glows about the results of Leica M lenses on the Lumix S1

Unfortunately he also glowed about the results of Leica M lenses on the Sony A7R when it came out.  

Does a lot of glowing does Steve.  Kind of like Ken Rockwell and his growing family…

Large grain of salt 😃

 

[Ko.Fe.]

On 9/19/2020 at 10:49 PM, AZN said:

One benefit is that the SL will work better with WA M lenses, especially “difficult” ones like the ASPH Summicrons 35mm or 28mm

FWIW I have the SL and am thinking of going the other way - SL Typ601 to new Panasonic S5.  Mainly for the better low light performance and IBIS. Plan to use it with my Leica R lenses mostly, so aren’t too worried about WA M lenses.

 

On 9/20/2020 at 5:06 AM, tom.w.bn said:

Why would you do this? You go slightly backwards with dynaimc range and tonal range and the EVF is older with less resolution.

I have Canon 5D MKII with some Canon L lenses and Canon RP with with some Canon RF lenses.

I would like to simplify it to one better weather sealed camera kit with couple of lenses. Standard zoom and something like 35/2 prime lens. Canon R series, RF lenses line is not my cap of tea. Feels like no name and plasticky. But I like to have a pleasing experience from holding camera kit in my hands. Not into money making with it at all. I just like to walk with camera and dog, take pictures without been dependent if it is rain started or too cold.  

Sigma has now contemporary L mount lenses.  28-70mm f/2.8 dg dn contemporary looks like the step to right direction.

SL as any Leica camera is unbeatable for how it looks and feels   New S1 cost the same as used SL, better in the long use term. 

The question I have is about IQ difference. Sharpness and colors rendering in particular my main interest within IQ.

I just like sharp images on 1:1 view and colors been natural straight or at least close to it right from the camera.

SL seems to be all good for sharpness and colors. How close to it is S1?

 

 

 

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[OR120]

On 9/19/2020 at 10:49 PM, AZN said:

One benefit is that the SL will work better with WA M lenses, especially “difficult” ones like the ASPH Summicrons 35mm or 28mm

FWIW I have the SL and am thinking of going the other way - SL Typ601 to new Panasonic S5.  Mainly for the better low light performance and IBIS. Plan to use it with my Leica R lenses mostly, so aren’t too worried about WA M lenses.

This is interesting as I'm looking for a second body to my current Leica SL2-S. I don't want to spend so much for a second body. That's why I considering a used SL vs a new Panasonic S5. Camera bodies are for my fast Leica M lenses and fast R lenses. I'm leaning toward a used Leica SL- using same batteries - won't need to haul other batteries and chargers. But is the Panasonic S5 better / newer sensor with better low light results or is the Leica SL going to be better as I'm shooting Leica M and R lenses?

As you can see with my post from 2020 - above - I went with the SL2-S - again that was in 2020. Now two years later I'm looking for a cheaper second body. Just looking for advice from those that have already gone down this road.

 

Edited February 5, 2022 by OR120
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[AZN]

3 hours ago, OR120 said:

Now two years later I'm looking for a cheaper second body.

Talk about resurrecting an old thread!

In the end I didn't get anything – couldn't justify it.  I like the built-in GPS of the SL-601 and the daylight performance is still fantastic.  There was dust between the sensor and protective glass cover, which Leica cleaned out under warranty.  No more "floaters" in the middle of the sky.

For low-light performance I could, of course, do much better. Ditto IBIS. But I seldom go beyond ISO 3200 and modern software is pretty good in cleaning up any noise. As for IBIS, well, I started taking photos circa 1980 – there was no IBIS back then 😃

My advice for the cheaper 2nd body, as you can probably guess, would be to get another SL-601.  A lot of people are dumping perfectly good cameras because they must have the latest gear. IMO great time to buy at a reasonable price.

Edited February 5, 2022 by AZN