M10-R full specifications and photos

[Dr No]

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2 hours ago, 250swb said:

Maybe there is a language problem or more likely the stupidity is on your side, maybe both, but I was saying the exact opposite of what you claim I was saying.

The 'better' photograph is the one that isn't bland and blandness is exactly the trend followed by devotees of more pixels. They are obliged in their own minds to demonstrate the attributes of the camera above any semblance of artistic expression they may still cling on to. So more pixels do not make a better photograph, it's what you do with them that makes a better photograph. Going back to film at least forces people to confront grain and all the other idiosyncrasies of film and not simply copying nature down to the last pixel of inane detail, got it?

No. Your explanation is the same as your statement which I understood perfectly. Maybe it's just you?

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[Denys]

21 hours ago, NigelG said:

Been removed - maybe the fat-fingered webmaster at Leica UK reads this forum?

Anyway - confirmed sensor specs (40.8 MP sensor if I recall correctly), touchscreen and shutter from M10-P

 

Hiya - just a small point (the link to the UK Leica website seems OK to me - I tried it yesterday just after the launch and just now. Maybe there was a period of time when there was a problem). I don’t know whether the e-Commerce Manager of Leica Camera UK is the same person as the ‘fat-fingered webmaster at Leica UK’ or whether the former reads this forum. I do know she assisted me with the (quite time-consuming) purchase of a camera in the middle of this covid crisis and I found her support to be beyond criticism. She is a credit both to Leica UK and to the brand.

[wlaidlaw]

17 minutes ago, Denys said:

 

Hiya - just a small point (the link to the UK Leica website seems OK to me - I tried it yesterday just after the launch and just now. Maybe there was a period of time when there was a problem). I don’t know whether the e-Commerce Manager of Leica Camera UK is the same person as the ‘fat-fingered webmaster at Leica UK’ or whether the former reads this forum. I do know she assisted me with the (quite time-consuming) purchase of a camera in the middle of this covid crisis and I found her support to be beyond criticism. She is a credit both to Leica UK and to the brand.

You are quite lucky to have got through to Leica UK on the phone, something I have rarely succeeded in doing and they are also not great at returning phone calls, when you do leave a message. 

Wilson

[Dr No]

3 hours ago, Ouroboros said:

I doubt it.

Such an inviting place. No elitism or suppositions at all.

But it is news to me, apparently anyones who buys M10R or a high pixel camera is a boring photographer and anyones who says something else just doesn't get it?

Just for my own references at what point does a photo become boring? 40MP? How about 37MP? Or is it 24MP is specific less boring? All those peoples using Canon and Nikon, Hasselblad, Fuji, Phase One must be upset to hear their photos are boring because of their cameras.

And how does it work retrospectively? 24MP used to be high resolutions. And now not?

Ah well at least they can just using film which fixes everything. That makes your photos less boring. 😆 

Silly.

3 hours ago, 250swb said:

Maybe there is a language problem or more likely the stupidity is on your side, maybe both, but I was saying the exact opposite of what you claim I was saying.

The 'better' photograph is the one that isn't bland and blandness is exactly the trend followed by devotees of more pixels. They are obliged in their own minds to demonstrate the attributes of the camera above any semblance of artistic expression they may still cling on to. So more pixels do not make a better photograph, it's what you do with them that makes a better photograph. Going back to film at least forces people to confront grain and all the other idiosyncrasies of film and not simply copying nature down to the last pixel of inane detail, got it?

 

[Francran]

14 minutes ago, Dr No said:

Such an inviting place. No elitism or suppositions at all.

But it is news to me, apparently anyones who buys M10R or a high pixel camera is a boring photographer and anyones who says something else just doesn't get it?

Just for my own references at what point does a photo become boring? 40MP? How about 37MP? Or is it 24MP is specific less boring? All those peoples using Canon and Nikon, Hasselblad, Fuji, Phase One must be upset to hear their photos are boring because of their cameras.

And how does it work retrospectively? 24MP used to be high resolutions. And now not?

Ah well at least they can just using film which fixes everything. That makes your photos less boring. 😆 

Silly.

 

I think what is being referred to here isn't the content of the photograph but how the actual image looks. It's a fair point that more pixels do indeed lead to a image that looks just too good and perfect. 

For colour, I don't think it's not so important but in B&W you need some grain to give the image "feel" and more pixels just make it look too creamy and bland.

You are of course correct in that it's irrelevant how many pixels make an image in deciding if a photograph is good or bad, that surely is down to the person clicking the shutter and how they decide that how the image is cropped and the exposure etc.

Edited July 17, 2020 by Francran

[NigelG]

50 minutes ago, Denys said:

 

Hiya - just a small point (the link to the UK Leica website seems OK to me - I tried it yesterday just after the launch and just now. Maybe there was a period of time when there was a problem). I don’t know whether the e-Commerce Manager of Leica Camera UK is the same person as the ‘fat-fingered webmaster at Leica UK’ or whether the former reads this forum. I do know she assisted me with the (quite time-consuming) purchase of a camera in the middle of this covid crisis and I found her support to be beyond criticism. She is a credit both to Leica UK and to the brand.

Denys

Ive also had good service in the Mayfair store - the point was that the M10-R with full specs/images/price was visible in the morning before the launch at 2pm....

[Dr No]

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28 minutes ago, Francran said:

I think what is being referred to here isn't the content of the photograph but how the actual image looks. It's a fair point that more pixels do indeed lead to a image that looks just too good and perfect. 

For colour, I don't think it's not so important but in B&W you need some grain to give the image "feel" and more pixels just make it look too creamy and bland.

You are of course correct in that it's irrelevant how many pixels make an image in deciding if a photograph is good or bad, that surely is down to the person clicking the shutter and how they decide that how the image is cropped and the exposure etc.

This is what was said:

On 7/10/2020 at 8:49 PM, 250swb said:

It's a common thing with all modern cameras and this is no exception, the higher the megapixels are the more bland the photographs become. This is the point in Leica history where going back to film is the guaranteed way to make a better photograph.

It is incontrovertibly untrue on all accounts. Cognitive biases, so simple and ignoring of truth as to be humorous.

[Sjz]

1 hour ago, Denys said:

 

Hiya - just a small point (the link to the UK Leica website seems OK to me - I tried it yesterday just after the launch and just now. Maybe there was a period of time when there was a problem). I don’t know whether the e-Commerce Manager of Leica Camera UK is the same person as the ‘fat-fingered webmaster at Leica UK’ or whether the former reads this forum. I do know she assisted me with the (quite time-consuming) purchase of a camera in the middle of this covid crisis and I found her support to be beyond criticism. She is a credit both to Leica UK and to the brand.

I too have found her to be helpful, enthusiastic, knowledgable, in fact fun to deal with.  A genuine credit to both Leica UK and the brand.  

[LBJ2]

Anyone have a favorite M10-R write up or video so far? Leica Rumors did a nice summary here:

https://leicarumors.com/2020/07/16/leica-m10-r-camera-additional-coverage-hands-on-reports-reviews-sample-photos-and-more.aspx/

With some nice photos here: 

https://leicarumors.com/2020/07/16/leica-m10-r-camera-additional-coverage-hands-on-reports-reviews-sample-photos-and-more.aspx/

 

[LBJ2]

I think Jono Slack captured some nice Leica Look here with the M10-R

https://www.slack.co.uk/leica-m10-r.html

 

 

 

[250swb]

2 hours ago, Dr No said:

Such an inviting place. No elitism or suppositions at all.

But it is news to me, apparently anyones who buys M10R or a high pixel camera is a boring photographer and anyones who says something else just doesn't get it?

Just for my own references at what point does a photo become boring? 40MP? How about 37MP? Or is it 24MP is specific less boring? All those peoples using Canon and Nikon, Hasselblad, Fuji, Phase One must be upset to hear their photos are boring because of their cameras.

And how does it work retrospectively? 24MP used to be high resolutions. And now not?

Ah well at least they can just using film which fixes everything. That makes your photos less boring. 😆 

Silly.

 

And in the coming months you seriously think the vast majority of images posted from the M10R won't be about IQ (meaning the pixel count) and discussions about maybe needing a new lens to fully exploit the amazing resolution, lol? Content will be boats bobbing on the water and sunsets that demonstrate the DR, maybe somebody will go wild and be the exception from the vast majority.

[Denys]

3 hours ago, wlaidlaw said:

You are quite lucky to have got through to Leica UK on the phone, something I have rarely succeeded in doing and they are also not great at returning phone calls, when you do leave a message. 

Wilson

Hi Wilson.   Since the transaction took place as the covid crisis began to affect business, all my ‘correspondence’ was done (very effectively) by eMail. I have no experience of speaking with the company by telephone. Perhaps I was just lucky!

[wlaidlaw]

It is some time since I tried Leica Mayfair. I get such excellent service from Ffordes, that I rarely need to contact them. The last time was over the contre-temps over my missing replacement M7 intermediate drive shaft, which had sheared. I gave up phoning them in the end, to chase this part which 6 months after ordering from them, was still missing (being blocked by Wetzlar). I wrote to the CEO and finally managed to acquire a replacement. 

Wilson

[audiophileguy]

I was very excited to read about the new M body and ready to order, but as I now understand it does not have the EVF, it comes off of my list.  I have come to really appreciate using the EVF on my M240 with my 24mm and 15mm lenses, which are among the most used in my lens bag.  Without the EVF, the new body is not really helpful...

It would be helpful if anybody can explain why Leica would want to add a much higher resolution sensor and then take away this very important feature, which has become an important and very useful part of the last two generations of bodies.  It is really frustrating...

[wlaidlaw]

12 minutes ago, audiophileguy said:

I was very excited to read about the new M body and ready to order, but as I now understand it does not have the EVF, it comes off of my list.  I have come to really appreciate using the EVF on my M240 with my 24mm and 15mm lenses, which are among the most used in my lens bag.  Without the EVF, the new body is not really helpful...

It would be helpful if anybody can explain why Leica would want to add a much higher resolution sensor and then take away this very important feature, which has become an important and very useful part of the last two generations of bodies.  It is really frustrating...

If it does not have an EVF, it is odd that Ffordes have charged me £449 for a Visoflex 020 that they are sending me tomorrow, with the M10-R and an extra battery. 

Wilson

 

[Jeff S]

18 minutes ago, audiophileguy said:

I was very excited to read about the new M body and ready to order, but as I now understand it does not have the EVF, it comes off of my list.  I have come to really appreciate using the EVF on my M240 with my 24mm and 15mm lenses, which are among the most used in my lens bag.  Without the EVF, the new body is not really helpful...

It would be helpful if anybody can explain why Leica would want to add a much higher resolution sensor and then take away this very important feature, which has become an important and very useful part of the last two generations of bodies.  It is really frustrating...

The accessory EVF is better than the one you use on your M240 (by all reports, as I stick with RF). 
 

Jeff

[FlashGordonPhotography]

41 minutes ago, audiophileguy said:

I was very excited to read about the new M body and ready to order, but as I now understand it does not have the EVF, it comes off of my list.  I have come to really appreciate using the EVF on my M240 with my 24mm and 15mm lenses, which are among the most used in my lens bag.  Without the EVF, the new body is not really helpful...

It would be helpful if anybody can explain why Leica would want to add a much higher resolution sensor and then take away this very important feature, which has become an important and very useful part of the last two generations of bodies.  It is really frustrating...

The M10R can accept the Visoflex 020 which is a better unit than the one on the M240. Not cutting edge but not terrible either. The new EVF has an inbuilt GPS which works, sometimes......

Gordon

[LBJ2]

32 minutes ago, FlashGordonPhotography said:

The M10R can accept the Visoflex 020 which is a better unit than the one on the M240. Not cutting edge but not terrible either. The new EVF has an inbuilt GPS which works, sometimes......

Gordon

I think some GPS complaints might be due to tall buildings and/ or heavy tree canopies or some other interference like atmospherics. Some of us seem to have very consistent GPS with the Visoflex. 

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[wlaidlaw]

It has got to be better than the old GPS on the hand grip of the M240, where you could die of boredom, before it locked on to sufficient satellites to get a fix. Then Leica in their wisdom changed the period before an old fix was wiped, in a FW update. In the absence of a fresh fix, they changed the delete period  from 24 hours (admittedly a bit long, as you could be at the other side of the world by that time) to just 5 minutes. However this was usually less than the time the hand grip took to get a fix, so in effect, Leica had pretty much disabled the GPS. It then took over 18 months and many many emails before they corrected the delete period to a more reasonable three hours. The GPS on the SL1 works very well. I think the idea of having to obtain GPS information from a phone is stupid. When travelling outside Europe (and soon to be outside the UK), many folks like me turn off data on their phone to avoid getting massive data charges from their service provider, which means no GPS on most phones. 

Wilson

[scott kirkpatrick]

Wilson, how phones get their localization information is a dark mystery.  I run an aviation app on several iPads with are enabled for cellular communications but do not have any SIM installed.  They always know where they are and exhibit the 10 m or less uncertainty that you want to see.  I've compared the GPS sensitivity on the VF020, the SL and a phone that I use only out of the country.  The VF020 is pretty weak if there is any obstruction or on a day when there aren't many satellites in view (you can check this with a hiker's GPS).  The SL is better, but any phone seems to do better than either.  Turning off data on your phone may be too drastic a control. when you travel  Just pull out the SIM and put it in a safe place.  Google Maps won't work, but that is because the maps don't download, not the location.