Contemplating on buying a Q2 - Crop Modes?

[Miltz]

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On 6/24/2020 at 6:07 AM, Snowman said:

Hello,

Currently I have a X-Pro2 with some primes, but really like the idea of the Q2. My work is a mixture of travel, street, architecture, some product photos.

I like the idea of the 28mm prime for landscape, but also shoot 35mm and 50mm (50mm being my favourite fuji prime). My question is the distortion of both 35 and 50mm, can this be removed in Lightroom, its it that noticeable without removable?

Interested what other users of the Q2 think. To me, it seems like the perfect camera, Leica build, Leica Lens, no fiddling changing lenses and something that will hold its value.

Thanks,

Nick, UK

 

I personally can't recommend the Q2 to anyone who is buying it so they can use the crop modes. While being able to crop is a great feature of 47 megapixels, The lens still shoots like a 28mm lens including DOF. There is NO distortion at 35mm or 50mm because you are essentially cropping out any part of the minor distortion. So if distortion is your concern, you don't see any. Having owned the XPRO-2 the Q2 will be a major upgrade in every way.

[tom0511]

I think with 47MP crop modes a a great thing. I use it often for family images, during vacation etc.

Normally for a family member portrait you dont need 47mp anyways, so no problem to crop to 50mm for example in such situations.

I also really like the rangefinder like frames when working in crop modes.

I never was a fan of digital cropping, but with 47MP and the way it is working in the Q2 I changed my mind.

[vedivv]

On 7/3/2020 at 1:56 AM, T25UFO said:

If you think the 75mm crop frame lines are too small, try framing a 90mm on the M10.  Smaller frame than the Q2 at 75mm, but fine once you get used to it.  And you have auto focus to help on the Q2 😂 easy peasy!

Good for you then.  I never got used to the small frame lines.  Now M10R is coming up, I see more challenges with small OVF.  Always had focus inaccuracy with longer lens, and the small frame line at 90mm is not making focusing any easier.  Perhaps that's the problem with rangefinder design: never noticed focus inaccuracies back in the film days.  I am hoping that a better EVF will be announced with M10R.

[jaapv]

It is correct that focus is more tolerant on film - film has a thickness and is never completely flat, so there is a correct-focus span. However, a sensor is completely flat and has no real thickness, so focus if more critical.

[jaapv]

On 7/9/2020 at 12:40 AM, Miltz said:

including DOF

Err- no. DOF changes on cropping and the resulting enlargement.

[T25UFO]

12 hours ago, vedivv said:

Good for you then.  I never got used to the small frame lines.  Now M10R is coming up, I see more challenges with small OVF.  Always had focus inaccuracy with longer lens, and the small frame line at 90mm is not making focusing any easier.  Perhaps that's the problem with rangefinder design: never noticed focus inaccuracies back in the film days.  I am hoping that a better EVF will be announced with M10R.

Yes, a better EVF would be nice, but I don't expect it.  If the M10-R is as good as the M10-M then you could probably get away with just one lens - a Summilux 35mm.  I get good results on the M10-M cropping the lens, easily to 50mm and it's still OK at 70mm.  Alternatively, the 50mm APO will crop to 90mm without any problem.  The larger frame lines make both lenses easier to use than a regular 75mm or 90mm.  Less weight to carry around as well!

[nicci78]

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After 13 months of Q2. And trying to get the most of cropping. 
I am now absolutely convinced that Q2 can be use as 28+35+50+75mm lens. 
It is that great ! 
 

I was adamant about the cost of upgrade from Q to Q2. 
But I have now made peace about that. Especially after selling my then redundant Summilux-TL 35mm. 
 

Yes 50mm crop is so good that 35mm f/1.4 on CL is no longer needed. 
 

Now my Summicron-R 50mm on CL is going to be sold also. Because 75mm crop is good enough. 

[Bokeh Street]

Been shooting with the Q2 for about a year and had an idea to improve the usefulness of the digital crop feature..

What if instead of maintaining the 28mm frame view as you cycled through the 35, 50 and 75mm crops, the frame view increased slightly to display as 35mm for the 50 crop and 50mm for the 75 crop..  

See illustration below - does anyone think this is doable in a firmware upgrade?

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[Le Chef]

Why not just crop in post? Why do you have to be tied to framelines when you can choose exactly what you want next post?

[Bokeh Street]

True, but they are there for those that want to use them, so why not make them a little easier to use?

[sfphoto]

1 hour ago, Bokeh Street said:

What if instead of maintaining the 28mm frame view as you cycled through the 35, 50 and 75mm crops, the frame view increased slightly to display as 35mm for the 50 crop and 50mm for the 75 crop..  

See illustration below - does anyone think this is doable in a firmware upgrade?

I think this is a great idea. I would love to use it. Would certainly be doable in a firmware upgrade.

Sure, I can easily crop in post. But sometimes I think in focal lengths: "For this scene I would change to a 50mm lens". On the Q2 I switch on the crop mode "50mm" and it helps me frame the scene and keep the distance from the subject. I think this is the most important, it keeps me from going closer and closer, just because the subject is so small in the viewfinder. The suggested mode would certainly help! In the end, I might decide to crop in post to 42mm or 53mm or whatever...

[vedivv]

Leica Q2 actually exposes based on the crop film, so there is meaningful difference (e.g., if you are cropping out entire bright sky) in exposure.

I shoot RAW+JPG on my Q2.  While I would like to use all the pixels to their max, there are plenty of time that I am happy with the cropped JPG frame and appreciate saved processing time.  Sure, I can crop post, along with other things i do in LR.  Along that line of logic, perhaps Leica should also eliminate JPG output.

Both the fully filled and partially filled scheme would be a welcome addition to the frame line option.  Would love to see it in the next firmware update.

[rivi1969]

On 6/25/2020 at 12:38 AM, Anakronox said:

Of course.  Maybe I wasn’t completely clear with my intent.  I simply meant that if you were to frame with the full 28mm perspective with a head shot or closer to someone’s face or body, you’re going to see distorted features.  You could always back up, frame using the 50mm crop For a headshot and see no issues.  

Exactly, and if you crop in camera let's say to 50mm, then your subject will look so close that you will have to back up in order to take the portrait, thus no more distorted faces, or "dog nose" effects due to extreme close ups, but you still have the correspondant depth of field of your 28mm lens, (like if you have shoot with a 50mm f2.8 more or less).