Dennis Posted June 17, 2020 Share #41 Posted June 17, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) 45 minutes ago, Keith (M) said: which has led me to considering the latest VM 21mm f3.5 Color-Skopar ASPH - all 180g of it. +1 If you don't need a fast lens, I think it's the perfect commitment and strongest competition of the 21 Elmar. The weight and size are so important. The same happens for the Zeiss 34 1.4. Considering its affordable price (compared to Summilux) it would be the first option of many leica shooter, but because size and weight ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ianman Posted June 18, 2020 Share #42 Posted June 18, 2020 (edited) I'm always surprised at what seems to be the lack of interest in the 21mm Elmarit ASPH. in these 21mm and WA threads. It's just a few grams heavier and mm longer than the SEM and an excellent performer. On M9... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited June 18, 2020 by ianman 9 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/310537-21mm-lenses/?do=findComment&comment=3994914'>More sharing options...
Dennis Posted June 18, 2020 Share #43 Posted June 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, ianman said: I'm always surprised at what seems to be the lack of interest in the 21mm Elmarit ASPH. in these 21mm and WA threads. I'm very interest on the 21 SEM, and I would love to get one. The only problem is the price. I wouldn't see a point (in my case) on choosing a non-leica lens. You get a better performance, an incredible esthetics, a better value for the future, 6 bit coded, etc etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted June 18, 2020 Share #44 Posted June 18, 2020 🤔 Your write 6 hours ago, Dennis said: I think it's (VM 21mm f3.5 Color-Skopar ASPH) strongest competition of the 21 Elmar. But then, when I suggest a cheaper Leica lens but as good as the SEM your answer is: 14 minutes ago, Dennis said: I wouldn't see a point (in my case) on choosing a non-leica lens. But you have just written that the VM is the strongest competition for the SEM. It makes no sense at all. FYI the Elmarit IS a Leica lens with "better performance, an incredible esthetics (sic), a better value for the future, 6 bit coded, etc etc. " 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted June 18, 2020 Share #45 Posted June 18, 2020 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/310537-21mm-lenses/?do=findComment&comment=3994926'>More sharing options...
pgk Posted June 18, 2020 Share #46 Posted June 18, 2020 16 hours ago, lct said: Indeed but my 7art 35/2 is surprisingly good for the price. The copy I had was sharp centrally wide open but softened towards the corners. Again QC is often an issue with low cost lenses. QC is an expensive part of manufacture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 18, 2020 Share #47 Posted June 18, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) 31 minutes ago, pgk said: The copy I had was sharp centrally wide open but softened towards the corners. Again QC is often an issue with low cost lenses. QC is an expensive part of manufacture. I would love to get the Leica QC for 7art prices but a bit more than Leica QC for Leica prices would suit as well . 1 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 18, 2020 Share #48 Posted June 18, 2020 Neat advantage for the Elmarit 21/2.8 asph is f/2.8 but it not immune from color shift on my M240. It has also a bit less acutance than my SEM 21/3.4 that i'd find too sharp for portraits... if i took portraits with it . The Elmarit asph is also significantly bulkier, especially with the stock hood on. It doesn't flare much though but the front element needs protection. It is not too "clinical" an asph lens so it can match well lenses like Summicron 28/2, 50/2 v5 or modern Summarits. FWIW. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted June 18, 2020 Share #49 Posted June 18, 2020 6 hours ago, jdlaing said: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Just a suggestion but it would probably be more interesting and useful for others if you included the lens and body used, especially as this is not specifically a photo thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted June 18, 2020 Share #50 Posted June 18, 2020 14 hours ago, Dennis said: The same happens for the Zeiss 34 1.4. Considering its affordable price (compared to Summilux) it would be the first option of many leica shooter, but because size and weight ... Zeiss vs Leica Summilux: 381g vs 320g, 63.2 x 65.2 mm vs 56 x 46 mm Leica 50mm Noctilux: 700g and 73 x 75.1 mm The Zeiss is 60g heavier than the Lux, and bigger, yes, but not too much. It's still half the weight of a Noctilux and considerably smaller in size. If a Noctilux is totally acceptable on a M, the Zeiss is too. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 18, 2020 Share #51 Posted June 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Simone_DF said: Zeiss vs Leica Summilux: 381g vs 320g, 63.2 x 65.2 mm vs 56 x 46 mm Length values are indeed 46mm (Leica) vs 65mm (Zeiss). By comparison that of the Summilux 50/1.4 asph is 52mm and that of the T-E 90/2.8 is 62mm more or less. The Summarit 90/2.4 is a bit taller than the Zeiss 35/1.4 though (67mm vs 65mm). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted June 18, 2020 Share #52 Posted June 18, 2020 2 hours ago, ianman said: Just a suggestion but it would probably be more interesting and useful for others if you included the lens and body used, especially as this is not specifically a photo thread. Lens listed in the first photo and M-240P. Happy now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted June 18, 2020 Share #53 Posted June 18, 2020 Like I wrote, it was just a suggestion. 🙄 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john1970 Posted June 18, 2020 Share #54 Posted June 18, 2020 I use the 21 SEM for landscape photography and it works very well. It is sharp with good contrast and easy to carry around all day on a M body camera. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Posted June 18, 2020 Share #55 Posted June 18, 2020 (edited) IanMan, maybe you misunderstood my point. The problem is that english is not my native language, I know it can be complicated sometimes understand what I'm saying. The a confused 21 Elmar with 21 Elmarit , I'm sorry about that. My point is that I would choose 100 times only Leica lens, there is not point of choosing a 21 CV vs a 21 Leica, because all the benefits we all know. Period. But because I have limit budget every year to spend in one lens (and now with the pandemic no budget at all), when I will get a super WA lens in the future, it will probably bee the 21 CV. Why? Because despite it's not great as the Leica, it's a great commitment. But most important, $3,300 vs $700. Once I could afford to get a Leica, I will get a Leica. Meanwhile, I keep dreaming Edited June 18, 2020 by Dennis 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Posted June 18, 2020 Share #56 Posted June 18, 2020 5 hours ago, Simone_DF said: The Zeiss is 60g heavier than the Lux, and bigger, yes, but not too much. That's correct. But if you put the lens hood in both, the VF blockage of the Zeiss is huge. But most important, $2,300 vs $5,900. As my previous post. I would choose the Summilux 100 times. But the price make the decision very hard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobram Posted June 18, 2020 Author Share #57 Posted June 18, 2020 15 hours ago, ianman said: I'm always surprised at what seems to be the lack of interest in the 21mm Elmarit ASPH. in these 21mm and WA threads. It's just a few grams heavier and mm longer than the SEM and an excellent performer. On M9... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Thank you very much for Elmarit photo example. Seems a nice alternative to all options mentioned. Not to mention the extra light stop that can be very useful sometimes. Before I make the final decision I will wait for additional info related to the new Nokton 21 1.4. Maybe somebody will share his/her opinion with us. Photo examples will be also very helpful. Thank you all for your contribution to this topic. Wide angle lens options on the market are indeed wide range :-) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted June 18, 2020 Share #58 Posted June 18, 2020 9 hours ago, lct said: I would love to get the Leica QC for 7art prices but a bit more than Leica QC for Leica prices would suit as well . Absolutely. But at least you can get a modern Leica lens corrected if there is a problem. Can soon be uneconomic, given its cost, to ship a lens around the world in the hope it will be fixable..... . You get what you pay for and you've probably got (for better or worse) what you've paid for, at low cost. Despite all the complaints on the forum, the only Leica lenses I've had problems with have been old and even then they are usually fixable and usually economically (relative to price/value of course)🙂. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted June 18, 2020 Share #59 Posted June 18, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Dennis said: The a confused 21 Elmar with 21 Elmarit , I'm sorry about that. Ah... yes, that can happen 2 hours ago, Dennis said: But because I have limit budget every year to spend in one lens (and now with the pandemic no budget at all), when I will get a super WA lens in the future, it will probably bee the 21 CV. Why? Because despite it's not great as the Leica, it's a great commitment. But most important, $3,300 vs $700. Although I wouldn't agree with you, choosing only a Leica brand lens is of course your right. But my point, which TBH I think you missed too, was that even taking your wish of Leica only into consideration, there is a *very* good option which had not been mentioned and is more affordable than the SEM. That being said, I'm seeing that a secondhand SEM is not much more than a secondhand Elmarit. Edited June 18, 2020 by ianman 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted June 18, 2020 Share #60 Posted June 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Dennis said: My point is that I would choose 100 times only Leica lens, there is not point of choosing a 21 CV vs a 21 Leica, because all the benefits we all know. Period. There's a point in choosing another brand if the other non-Leica brand produces lenses that are arguably the same level or even better than Leica's offering. As of now, Voigtlander is producing the best new M glass hands down, see the 75mm, the new 50mm or the 21mm 1.4. All I see from Leica recent offerings are bizarre and fairly useless (for my personal use) lenses like the Thambar and the Summaron or the deadly 75 / 90 Lux which weight a ton, are humongous and price wise are simply insane. I'd go for a new Voigtlander any day. 5 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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