Cobram Posted January 25, 2021 Author Share #181 Posted January 25, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) Color Skopar F4 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/310537-21mm-lenses/?do=findComment&comment=4125456'>More sharing options...
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nameBrandon Posted November 7, 2023 Share #182 Posted November 7, 2023 (edited) Figured I'd resurrect this thread a bit since I've been in the market for an inexpensive 21. I would typically shoot my GFX 100s and 20-35 for any serious work (which for me is typically landscape), but I did want a wider option on my M11. I have the Q3 which I typically bring along with the M11 to be my 28mm/35mm lenses, but there are still instances where I have needed wider than the 28mm on the Q3. Since this is more of an "emergency" lens, I'm prioritizing price / weight / IQ / size in that order. After some initial research, I landed on the CV 21 f/4. I opted for the f/4 version as it was cheaper than the f/3.5 and I thought the M11 BSI sensor would solve for some of the color shift. It is going back, but only because I didn't like the distortion, the M11 actually did handle the color shift relatively well. I've ordered the replacement, TT Artisans 21 1.5 and will see how that performs. It's much larger and heavier than the CV 21 f/4 (or f/3.5), but was the same price (~$320 USD). I figure the trade-off for increased size is really the f/1.5 which is fair in my book. Should have it in later this week to evaluate. Other lenses I'm considering in order of interest.. Zeiss ZM 21 / 4.5 Zeiss ZM 21 2.8 CV 21 3.5 I'd love to include some Leica lenses but trying very hard to keep this well under $1,000 USD. For now, here's a brick-wall at f/8 from the CV 21mm f/4, uncorrected, and then corrected in Capture One. It definitely has some barrel distortion, but also a small amount of waviness / mustache in there, which made it frustrating to work with for how I shoot. You will notice some color shift as well, but from my research, this is actually well controlled compared to what it would look like on an M10. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited November 7, 2023 by nameBrandon Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/310537-21mm-lenses/?do=findComment&comment=4895976'>More sharing options...
lct Posted November 7, 2023 Share #183 Posted November 7, 2023 10 minutes ago, nameBrandon said: It definitely has some barrel distortion, but also a small amount of waviness / mustache in there, which made it frustrating to work with for how I shoot. You will notice some color shift as well, but from my research, this is actually well controlled compared to what it would look like on an M10 The Skopar 21/4 is a fine lens indeed. I didn't find significant color shifts nor mustache distortion on the M11. Barrel distortion is significant though but easy to correct in PP. For less distortion, the Biogon 21/4.5 is hard to beat. Just a snap with Skopar on M11 below. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/310537-21mm-lenses/?do=findComment&comment=4896004'>More sharing options...
nameBrandon Posted November 7, 2023 Share #184 Posted November 7, 2023 38 minutes ago, lct said: The Skopar 21/4 is a fine lens indeed. I didn't find significant color shifts nor mustache distortion on the M11. Barrel distortion is significant though but easy to correct in PP. For less distortion, the Biogon 21/4.5 is hard to beat. Just a snap with Skopar on M11 below. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! It's a good lens and a great value for sure! Just wasn't what I was looking for. I'm very intrigued by the Zeiss 21 4.5 but those are actually harder to find and more expensive than the ZM 21 2.8.. The two ZM are next up if the TTArtisans 21 1.5 doesn't pan out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 7, 2023 Share #185 Posted November 7, 2023 My only ZM 21 is the Biogon 21/4.5. There are a couple of them on e**y right now. Same optical formula as the famous Biogon for Contarex. Works nicely on the M11 with negligible distortion and CA and no significant color shift (sample below) but it has more vignetting than the Skopar. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/310537-21mm-lenses/?do=findComment&comment=4896073'>More sharing options...
blackdot Posted December 1, 2023 Share #186 Posted December 1, 2023 (edited) I just traded in my Super Elmar to fund a 28mm cron, as I wasn’t using it as often as I should. I’m looking to replace it with something much smaller, and came across the Ricoh GR lens today. Funny enough I actually owned that lens many, many years ago, but I cannot remember if I even used it. I had an Angulon back then and that got all the attention. Anyone use one of these? This would be for film only, so no edge coloration business. I’m comparing to the Zeiss ZM 4.5, which is slower, but much less expensive. How does it do on color? Edited December 1, 2023 by blackdot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted December 1, 2023 Share #187 Posted December 1, 2023 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) • Wrong post sorry Edited December 1, 2023 by lct Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackdot Posted December 4, 2023 Share #188 Posted December 4, 2023 After my last post I decided to let emotion win and picked up a 21 3.4 Angulon like I used to have, since the price was right. Quick question: last time I owned this lens I had a 48mm B+W filter for it, but since I already have an extra 49mm, I'm wondering if I could use a step ring without vignetting? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted December 4, 2023 Share #189 Posted December 4, 2023 Never tried sorry but if you have a regular hood you can use a Series 7 filter in it. JFI. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted December 4, 2023 Share #190 Posted December 4, 2023 On 1/17/2021 at 2:59 AM, rsolomon said: I’m considering trading my 24 Elmar for the 21 SEM. the 24 is truly outstanding, I’m just seeing the 21 as adding a new dynamic to my existing kit of 24 / 35 / 75. While I understand 24 and 21are different I’m not sure there’s enough difference for ‘heavy’ usage. if anyone can share 21 v 24 practicality I’d be very interested- thx I have both of these fabulous lenses. The 21 SEM and 24 Elmar-M image very similarly. However, I think that 3mm makes a bigger difference that one would expect. If you are in the position to do so, buy the 21 SEM and keep the 24 Elmar-M until you have had a chance to compare them. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackdot Posted December 4, 2023 Share #191 Posted December 4, 2023 34 minutes ago, lct said: Never tried sorry but if you have a regular hood you can use a Series 7 filter in it. JFI. I didn't get a hood this time around, but good to know. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
streetpussy Posted February 2, 2024 Share #192 Posted February 2, 2024 (edited) Which 21mm lens does Bruce Gilden use? Or does he use a 24mm? I want something wide and compact, preferably Leica glass. Can you mix at match external viewfinders IE Zeiss VF and Leica glass etc Edited February 2, 2024 by streetpussy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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