setuporg Posted May 15, 2020 Share #1 Posted May 15, 2020 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) I watched David and Josh show and the idea of the Noctilux f/1.0 really hit home with me: it was not adjusted for the blue wavelength to create the Leica halo, since on B&W it would not matter as much as on color. I am so curious now that I got the 1.0 Noct in addition to the 0.95 Noct and will be comparing them on the M246 and M10M I got. I also have the 75, Lux, which in this video is described as being the same design as the 1.0 Noct. It would be great to gather more ideas for the legacy lenses here... Edited May 15, 2020 by setuporg 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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chasdfg Posted May 16, 2020 Share #2 Posted May 16, 2020 There are quite a number of threads on legacy/older/vintage lenses for the monochroms. Leaving aside the nuanced debate about the output and rendering aspect of the sensors themselves (i.e. CCD vs 24mp CMOS vs 40mp CMOS) and taking the monochroms broadly as black and white cameras (which do not show colour aberrations and colour related "flaws") those other threads on vintage lenses on the M9M or M246 still apply. One e.g.: If you like the Noct f1 on the M10M, it is a slippery slope. I'm still on the fence of the "benefit" of shooting older glass on my monochrom partly because I find the aberrations give the image output a distinctive look. It's still early days for me, but much of my shooting has been with the more modern Karbe lenses. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirubadanieru Posted May 16, 2020 Share #3 Posted May 16, 2020 I only shoot lenses from the 50s/60s on my M10M (and also on the M9M when I had it). From the ones I tried, my favorites (which were the lenses I ended up keeping) were: Summicron 35mm 8 elements Nikkor 3.5cm f1.8 LTM Summicron 50mm Rigid & 50mm Collapsible I also enjoyed the Summilux 50mm v1 (way more than v2), Super Angulon 21mm f3.4, and Elmar 50mm f3.5 ltm (but didn’t keep them in the end as I like to have few lenses I use frequently) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
michali Posted May 16, 2020 Share #4 Posted May 16, 2020 I mainly shoot with older lenses on the Monochrom1. The lens that's I most often use is my Canon 50mm f1.4 LTM (1962 vers.). IMO there's something quite special about the images that the combination of this lens & the MM1 deliver. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 10 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/309593-legacy-lenses-on-the-monochroms/?do=findComment&comment=3974345'>More sharing options...
james.liam Posted May 17, 2020 Share #5 Posted May 17, 2020 (edited) 22 hours ago, chasdfg said: If you like the Noct f1 on the M10M, it is a slippery slope. I'm still on the fence of the "benefit" of shooting older glass on my monochrom partly because I find the aberrations give the image output a distinctive look. It's still early days for me, but much of my shooting has been with the more modern Karbe lenses. Oh boy. Let's see how this plays out... He'll look at the wonderful images of the Canon 50/1.4 LTM above and say, "damn, that's beautiful and it isn't that expensive". Next, he'll read about the lovely Canon 35/2 that's small, more modern but still renders in the 'classic' look. And while looking, he finds a Canon 100/3.5 they're all talking about and it's so small! Some weeks pass, and he will read about the 35 Summicron 8-element and his hair will stand up at the price BUT the 35 Summaron ƒ/2.8 is a third the cost and Erwin Puts thinks it's even sharper than the 8E at ƒ/2.8.... Then he'll discover talk of the Nikkor 50/1.4 Sonnar, a design optimized for close subjects and a unique look, unlike the Canon. "Damn, gotta try that!". A month of contentment will end when he reads about the best Voigtländer LTM's...3,5/28 , 2,5/50. Once acquired, he discovers, "I can still buy the 2,5/35 in M mount new!!!" Edited May 17, 2020 by james.liam 3 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasdfg Posted May 17, 2020 Share #6 Posted May 17, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, james.liam said: Oh boy. Let's see how this plays out... He'll look at the wonderful images of the Canon 50/1.4 LTM above and say, "damn, that's beautiful and it isn't that expensive". Next, he'll read about the lovely Canon 35/2 that's small, more modern but still renders in the 'classic' look. And while looking, he finds a Canon 100/3.5 they're all talking about and it's so small! Some weeks pass, and he will read about the 35 Summicron 8-element and his hair will stand up at the price BUT the 35 Summaron ƒ/2.8 is a third the cost and Erwin Puts thinks it's even sharper than the 8E at ƒ/2.8.... Then he'll discover talk of the Nikkor 50/1.4 Sonnar, a design optimized for close subjects and a unique look, unlike the Canon. "Damn, gotta try that!". A month of contentment will end when he reads about the best Voigtländer LTM's...3,5/28 , 2,5/50. Once acquired, he discovers, "I can still buy the 2,5/35 in M mount new!!!" To make matters worse, one night he stumbles upon the mystical fast sub-f1.2 glass from Zunow, Konishiroku hexanon and Nikkor in LTM...and on the Angenieux 50mm 0.95 and the world of modified cine glass for the M.."this cine glass plus the M246 with video.." All I can say is good luck!! Edited May 17, 2020 by chasdfg 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted May 17, 2020 Share #7 Posted May 17, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) Any Monochrom user can't be happy with less than fifty 50 lenses 🙃, some in color though 111 pages to prove it same logic as less than thirty five 35 lenses ... 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
setuporg Posted May 17, 2020 Author Share #8 Posted May 17, 2020 Well I found right away the Noct 1.0 makes timeless photos, it will take me a while to get over it, if ever! Yesterday at Santa Cruz, Leica 4-stop ND filter, Noct at 1.0: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/309593-legacy-lenses-on-the-monochroms/?do=findComment&comment=3975442'>More sharing options...
Keith (M) Posted May 17, 2020 Share #9 Posted May 17, 2020 Even with a very large crop my 1955 Summicron Collapsible LTM holds up very well. A grab shot at f2 on M10M. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 12 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/309593-legacy-lenses-on-the-monochroms/?do=findComment&comment=3975466'>More sharing options...
shirubadanieru Posted May 18, 2020 Share #10 Posted May 18, 2020 @Keith (M) that Collapsible might need a CLA? I have a recently CLA’ed one without cleaning marks (but some hairlines in the inner elements) and it definitely performs much more sharper / crispier than that. Here’s a shot on the M10M at f4 and another one on film wide open (sorry didn’t have one on the MM wide open available). @setuporg Nocti is indeed magical, my issue with it is the weight...it weights as much as the camera which made me almost never carry it over my other 50s...so I ended up selling it; but yes, rendering is simply amazing! I would say Nocti f1 and Lux 75mm have the most magical rendering of all Leica lenses but both too big / large for me. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/309593-legacy-lenses-on-the-monochroms/?do=findComment&comment=3975534'>More sharing options...
Popular Post colint544 Posted May 18, 2020 Popular Post Share #11 Posted May 18, 2020 I could sing the praises of the Summaron F2.8 on the Monochrom all day. I'd never sell mine. Below is a shot I took with that combination in a pub in Glasgow. I haven't photoshopped it because I don't really know what to do with it. It's too busy, I think., too much going on. So that's why it looks muddy and flat. But I liked the intensity this couple were staring at each other with. Point is, that I shot this wide open at F2.8. The level of detail that this 60-year-old lens resolves is astonishing. It also has a lovely, gentle tonality. There's nothing harsh or overly contrasty in its rendering. As a side issue, I'd say that the Summaron F2.8 is also superb on colour or black and white film. For me, it's a 10 out of 10 lens. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 22 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/309593-legacy-lenses-on-the-monochroms/?do=findComment&comment=3975733'>More sharing options...
colint544 Posted May 18, 2020 Share #12 Posted May 18, 2020 Another on the M Monochrom mk1 and Summaron F2.8. Again, wide open at F2.8, very lightly photoshopped (small amount of levels and curves) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 14 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/309593-legacy-lenses-on-the-monochroms/?do=findComment&comment=3975744'>More sharing options...
Keith (M) Posted May 18, 2020 Share #13 Posted May 18, 2020 13 hours ago, shirubadanieru said: @Keith (M) that Collapsible might need a CLA? I have a recently CLA’ed one without cleaning marks (but some hairlines in the inner elements) and it definitely performs much more sharper / crispier than that. Here’s a shot on the M10M at f4 and another one on film wide open (sorry didn’t have one on the MM wide open available). That particular photo is an almost 1:1 crop so is not showing the lens's capabilities. The ones in the attached link were taken on the same walk, are mostly uncropped and more indicative of its performance. The major difference between it, my Summilux-M ASPH and ZM C-Sonnar is contrast - that of the Summicron being (not unexpectedly) noticeably lower. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith (M) Posted May 18, 2020 Share #14 Posted May 18, 2020 4 hours ago, colint544 said: I could sing the praises of the Summaron F2.8 on the Monochrom all day. I'd never sell mine. Below is a shot I took with that combination in a pub in Glasgow. I haven't photoshopped it because I don't really know what to do with it. It's too busy, I think., too much going on. So that's why it looks muddy and flat. But I liked the intensity this couple were staring at each other with. Point is, that I shot this wide open at F2.8. The level of detail that this 60-year-old lens resolves is astonishing. It also has a lovely, gentle tonality. There's nothing harsh or overly contrasty in its rendering. As a side issue, I'd say that the Summaron F2.8 is also superb on colour or black and white film. For me, it's a 10 out of 10 lens. Colin, my 35mm Summaron f2.8 is slightly younger than yours (1967 according to Leica WiKi) and for the most part resided on my 0.58 MP. In early Feb some of my first outings with newly arrived M10M were with this lens - partly to check if the concerns expressed here and elsewhere regarding old lenses on 41Mp sensors were justified. The results show they are not - IMHO anyway! Some examples in this small album of Summaron + M10M images on Flickr. Not a lens I will ever part with! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colint544 Posted May 18, 2020 Share #15 Posted May 18, 2020 3 hours ago, Keith (M) said: Colin, my 35mm Summaron f2.8 is slightly younger than yours (1967 according to Leica WiKi) and for the most part resided on my 0.58 MP. In early Feb some of my first outings with newly arrived M10M were with this lens - partly to check if the concerns expressed here and elsewhere regarding old lenses on 41Mp sensors were justified. The results show they are not - IMHO anyway! Some examples in this small album of Summaron + M10M images on Flickr. Not a lens I will ever part with! Lovely set of images, Keith. They really show how sharp a lens the Summaron 2.8 is. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted May 18, 2020 Share #16 Posted May 18, 2020 (edited) Beautiful images, Colin and Keith. I have the poorer relation - the f3.5 35mm Summaron-M - and after it had a CLA a few years back it has never failed to impress me by its performance. Wonderful lens. Mine is a very early pre-goggled 1954 version so doesn't bring up the correct frame lines but after all this time using it I can guess what a 35mm 'sees'. I've had it 40 years and I hope to still be using it in another 40-years time. Mind-you; by then it will be me who needs a CLA... As to the bigger question of Old Glass in M-mount; I have a few which all date from the '50s through each decade to the '80s and love them all on the M9M. Philip. Edited May 18, 2020 by pippy 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
strohscw Posted May 19, 2020 Share #17 Posted May 19, 2020 2012 I switched to digital (Canon) and sold my M6 and all my Mandler Lenses (21, 35, 50, and 90) for very little money. Today with my M10M I wished I would have never sold them. Now I would have to pay three times the money I got. What did I learn out of this? Never sell a lens You liked. 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
michali Posted May 19, 2020 Share #18 Posted May 19, 2020 (edited) Another one of my old lenses on the Monochrom 1 - 1938 Leitz Summar 5cm f2 (please click on the image for better resolution). Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited May 19, 2020 by michali 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/309593-legacy-lenses-on-the-monochroms/?do=findComment&comment=3976667'>More sharing options...
Sandokan Posted June 2, 2020 Share #19 Posted June 2, 2020 On 5/18/2020 at 12:18 PM, colint544 said: I could sing the praises of the Summaron F2.8 on the Monochrom all day. I'd never sell mine. Below is a shot I took with that combination in a pub in Glasgow. ... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I love the Crucifiction of Christ by Dali in the Kelvingrove - followed by a late lunch or an early dinner in Cafe India. Dont know if its still on display or if the restaurant is still there 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colint544 Posted June 3, 2020 Share #20 Posted June 3, 2020 14 hours ago, Sandokan said: I love the Crucifiction of Christ by Dali in the Kelvingrove - followed by a late lunch or an early dinner in Cafe India. Dont know if its still on display or if the restaurant is still there Cafe India is very much still there. Obviously because of the pandemic, you can't go in for a meal, but they're doing brisk business with their takeaways. And the Dali is still at the Kelvingrove. Cheers! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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