cl: really really stupid strap question. really.

[gteague]

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so, mostly for the fashion and style of it since i'm normally a peak system guy, i got a rope strap for my new cl. red and black so it matches my new (tax paid) red dot, but not solid red so as to seem like i meant it that way.

so, of course no instructions because who would need those for a mere strap, right? but you know there's a test the navy gives you in boot camp to tell how well you envision shapes being rotated and put into other shapes and i made absolute zero on it. i'm total crap at nearly all hardware and especially at figuring out how things work via pictures--irony of ironies, eh? and the europeans and  most especially the germans piss me off constantly by printing a couple of number diagrams of some device, then only referring to the parts by number forcing you to turn pages back and forth like a monkey on crack. and indeed the cl manual is slightly guilty of that although some of the numbers are explained when they're used. and, i pretty well know all the parts of most cameras already.

ok, i digress, i breathe. so i installed this strap the only way that made sense. there's a leather tab with a hole obviously meant to fit over the lugs of the camera to protect it from the rings. but this leaves the 1.5-2.0" of leather 'guard' sticking straight up and you can't get your fingers around it to work the controls. that's stupid as wtf says i and went off to find instructions. and seemingly there are none on the interwebs, you're evidently supposed to 'just know'. finally i found a youtube video showing one mounted on an 'm' camera i think and indeed the leather guards are sticking straight up. i hate to tell them that, but that doesn't work--you can't reach the shutter button from around the strap.

https://youtu.be/6AIrtYUCxfc

can someone who actually uses one of these daily set me straight on this? i'd love to be able to use this strap, but right now i'm going to have to revert back to the peak.

btw, this makes 3 strikes in that all 3 of the accessories i bought while waiting for the camera have proven majorly disappointing and barely functional. only the thumb grip so far is marginally more useful on than off.

thanks, /guy

Edited February 27, 2020 by gteague

[gteague]

ah! here's the picture of the one i got. you tell me how you'd get to the shutter button since those leather guards won't swivel out of the way.

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[wda]

What is wrong with the original Leica strap?

[gteague]

i did get an unused one in the box, but i don't think i've ever used the strap that came with a camera. i just thought the red/black rope strap would be whimsical. when researching leicas, nearly every one pictured had a rope strap facilitating the glut of camera pr0n and stimulating /gas/ attacks!

if it won't work, i have a perfectly good peak one ready to go and i 100% trust that system. but now i'm curious as to how these things ever worked or if i just have one that won't swivel or rotate around the lug axis properly.

/guy

Edited February 27, 2020 by gteague

[tamas]

Slightly confused in reading about your issue. I have a wrist version of a rope strap and depending how I wear it on my wrist, the leather guard is either facing downward flush against the camera body and my palm, or upright between my index and middle finger. neither impedes me from pressing the shutter button with my index finger.  

Mind you mine does not have the additional leather tag that yours has - if that makes a difference?

[gteague]

7 minutes ago, tamas said:

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Mind you mine does not have the additional leather tag that yours has - if that makes a difference?

it looks like it makes all the difference as it won't rotate and move out of your way. you can see from the picture that it covers up the shutter button and won't rotate forward or backward more than a few degrees--not enough to get your finger in to the shutter button. and no way that leather tab is going to fit between my fingers. it's possible you could get it to rotate by putting on another set of o-rings, but i'm not going to take that much trouble for something that should work without modifications.

/guy

Edited February 27, 2020 by gteague

[tamas]

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Does it need that additional leather - what i'm calling a tag?   Mine ( maker 'Tie Her Up" ) looks very much the same and despite not having that tag, the ring does not come into contact with the camera body.   Would removing overcome the problem?

[gteague]

i thought about it, but i'm not sure i want to take the chance with such a good looking camera. i'm already worried that thin leather covering is going to wear through which is why i got the half case. perhaps if i put the case back on, the material would keep the rings from gouging the camera--i'll have to try that. but then i don't have enough grip on the front.

it's a learning experience, but that's 99% of the fun.

/guy

[gteague]

i just  examined it again and you might have something there. the tabs underneath the split rings would be very easy to cut off and then i think smaller and thinner split rings might work better to let it rotate freely. the rings are quite large for the task i think. thanks! /guy

Edited February 27, 2020 by gteague

[tamas]

Too true.  I'm not entirely  happy with mine.  At times during prolonged wearing the rope tends to tighten around my wrist due to the weight of the camera and I feel I'm losing circulation to my fingers 😉

[jaapv]

1 hour ago, gteague said:

i thought about it, but i'm not sure i want to take the chance with such a good looking camera. i'm already worried that thin leather covering is going to wear through which is why i got the half case. perhaps if i put the case back on, the material would keep the rings from gouging the camera--i'll have to try that. but then i don't have enough grip on the front.

it's a learning experience, but that's 99% of the fun.

/guy

It is not leather and I have never heard of it wearing through on any Leica.. You can easily replace it by luxurious third/party coverings

[bags27]

no need to justify to others why you bought the strap. you like it; it should work. I have similar straps (different makes from each other) on 3 different Leicas (including an CL) and none interferes at all.

I would guess that all mine would look that way--threaten to block controls--if I took a picture like that. But I'm wondering whether, when it's hanging from your neck, it still interferes. You're not supposed to have your fingers coming around from the outside where I imagine it could block the shutter release. Have your right index finger inside the strap. No way this should be a problem.

 

Edited February 27, 2020 by bags27

[gteague]

1 hour ago, bags27 said:

no need to justify to others why you bought the strap. you like it; it should work. I have similar straps (different makes from each other) on 3 different Leicas (including an CL) and none interferes at all.

I would guess that all mine would look that way--threaten to block controls--if I took a picture like that. But I'm wondering whether, when it's hanging from your neck, it still interferes. You're not supposed to have your fingers coming around from the outside where I imagine it could block the shutter release. Have your right index finger inside the strap. No way this should be a problem.

 

i'm just trying to visualize how that would work.  when you go to grip the camera the index finger just sort of automatically goes in front of the strap. at least mine does, perhaps you have a different muscle memory. but i'm used to using slings and indeed this strap is designed for cross body carry and not neck drop carry. if it would just rotate freely your index finger could either push it to the rear or to the front depending, but it just won't move much.

/guy

[ramarren]

With the strap you showed in that photo, the leather bits should be laying down against the body when you're holding the camera to your eye ... which eliminates the question. This should be pretty obvious if you put the neckstrap on, over your head the way it's supposed to be used, and pick the camera up to your eye. ??? 

I use the Peak Design Leash and anchor buttons, when I use a neck strap (which is rare). I like it because I have a number of anchor buttons that I have fitted to several cameras and other gear, and two Leashes that I can switch to and fro as needed in a couple of seconds. I use a camera on a tripod or copy stand quite a lot of the time and neckstraps generally get in my way more than they aid in my use, so I want something on the camera which is quickly detachable like the PD system. I use their wrist strap, "Cuff", as well when it's the appropriate way to secure the camera against potential drop hazard (think about shooting down from 15 stories up over the edge of a ship... :))

G

[bags27]

Grip the front of the camera with you last 3 fingers. The strap ends up between your index and middle fingers.

What might help you is a Thumbs Up (or the equivalent) to steady the camera with your thumb, and the rest of your fingers will naturally slide into place.

Edited February 28, 2020 by bags27

[jaapv]

19 hours ago, gteague said:

ah! here's the picture of the one i got. you tell me how you'd get to the shutter button since those leather guards won't swivel out of the way.

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Maybe if you undo the knot?

[gteague]

1 hour ago, ramarren said:

With the strap you showed in that photo, the leather bits should be laying down against the body when you're holding the camera to your eye ... which eliminates the question. This should be pretty obvious if you put the neckstrap on, over your head the way it's supposed to be used, and pick the camera up to your eye. ??? 

I use the Peak Design Leash and anchor buttons, when I use a neck strap (which is rare). I like it because I have a number of anchor buttons that I have fitted to several cameras and other gear, and two Leashes that I can switch to and fro as needed in a couple of seconds. I use a camera on a tripod or copy stand quite a lot of the time and neckstraps generally get in my way more than they aid in my use, so I want something on the camera which is quickly detachable like the PD system. I use their wrist strap, "Cuff", as well when it's the appropriate way to secure the camera against potential drop hazard (think about shooting down from 15 stories up over the edge of a ship... :))

G

i've used the peak system for years on over a half-dozen cameras and those anchors multiply like coat hangers! i love that you can use them with the bags as well and how adaptable they are.

and what you said about them laying down against the sides is exactly what i was pointing out that they didn't do. in order to go from carry mode to shoot mode they have to swivel around the axis of the lug and this strap doesn't do that for some reason.

so yes, the rope strap was a fashion mistake as i thought an elegant camera like a wetzlar leica needed a more upscale strap. i was wrong--not for the first time! my peak slide lite is a nice grey color that matches everything and even has some leather bits to class it up, so i'm going back to it.

/guy

Edited February 28, 2020 by gteague

[jaapv]

Why can't you fold the ring down swivelling  in the strap lug opening?

[ramarren]

22 hours ago, gteague said:

i've used the peak system for years on over a half-dozen cameras and those anchors multiply like coat hangers! i love that you can use them with the bags as well and how adaptable they are.

and what you said about them laying down against the sides is exactly what i was pointing out that they didn't do. in order to go from carry mode to shoot mode they have to swivel around the axis of the lug and this strap doesn't do that for some reason.

so yes, the rope strap was a fashion mistake as i thought an elegant camera like a wetzlar leica needed a more upscale strap. i was wrong--not for the first time! my peak slide lite is a nice grey color that matches everything and even has some leather bits to class it up, so i'm going back to it.

/guy

Can't imagine why they don't fold down around the axis of the lug other than that the dumb little (unnecessary) leather body protectors are jamming the split rings in the lugs. I have a very similar strap ... it doesn't need this pieces and it folds down around the lug just fine. Just take those out and it will be fine. 

I'd show you a picture of mine with that strap fitted, but I'd have to take the PD anchors off and fit the strap to do so. Too much trouble.

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[gteague]

1 hour ago, ramarren said:

Can't imagine why they don't fold down around the axis of the lug other than that the dumb little (unnecessary) leather body protectors are jamming the split rings in the lugs. I have a very similar strap ... it doesn't need this pieces and it folds down around the lug just fine. Just take those out and it will be fine. 

I'd show you a picture of mine with that strap fitted, but I'd have to take the PD anchors off and fit the strap to do so. Too much trouble.

no worries mate, i think the split rings are binding in the lugs. the diameter of the lug holes is pretty small as even the new small peak anchors are hard to force through there.  i'm done messing with it. sometimes you try new things and they don't work out and you move on. so this is me moving on ....

/guy