Deliberate1 Posted February 1, 2020 Share #21 Posted February 1, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) 17 hours ago, Jeff S said: More shnook (foolish) than nudnik (irritating), I think. I would not build a relationship with a dealer that used this practice. Jeff Point taken, Jeff. So that is why my father called me this. Consequently, I always thought noodnick must be a term of endearment. Shnook is good. So is shmegege, nar, tipesh, shmendrick and bolvan. It is remarkable how many ways Yiddish, a near fossilized language, has such a contemporary application. David 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ropo54 Posted February 1, 2020 Share #22 Posted February 1, 2020 Too much meshugas! Rob 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardC Posted February 2, 2020 Share #23 Posted February 2, 2020 On 1/30/2020 at 10:42 PM, davidmknoble said: the best dynamic range is still at base ISO, just like the S007. The shadows on the M10M also appear to be more pliable and I can pull more out of the shadows Note: I am not singling-out this post, just going off on a tangent. I find it interesting that discussion of dynamic range in still photography generally boils-down to how much you can "push the shadows." That's why the usual conclusion is that the lowest ISO has the most range: you gave the shadows more exposure, so you can play with them more in post. On the other hand, cine users tend to rate the best dynamic range in the 500-1000 ISO range, because that's where you get the most out of both the shadows ind highlights, even if the shadows have a bit more noise. Maybe it all comes from the end product. Prints are reflective, so your highlights can only get so bright. Motion pictures use their own light source (projector, or tv screen), so the shadows are limited. You often want shadows to go to black. The other possibility is that cine users are more likely to use incident light metering, as opposed to TTL or spot metering for stills. The reason for that is that moving images require more consistency. You may be shooting the same scene with more than one camera, from different angles, with different framing throughout the shot. You may even turn lights on and off. The last thing you want is exposure that jumps around, even if it means that each individual frame isn't perfectly exposed. Shadows can go to black, within reason and within your narrative style, but highlights shouldn't blow-out, ever. End of tangent, back to talking about the S3. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted February 19, 2020 Share #24 Posted February 19, 2020 Leica Rumors says March release at 18,600 Euro. This translates to roughly $20k, but who knows if this will reflect US price given tariffs (SL2 and Q2 were excluded from recent price bumps). https://leicarumors.com/2020/02/18/leica-s3-coming-in-march-2020-with-a-price-tag-of-18600-eur.aspx/ Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebben Posted February 19, 2020 Share #25 Posted February 19, 2020 Hard to see many sell at that price... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted February 19, 2020 Share #26 Posted February 19, 2020 8 minutes ago, sebben said: Hard to see many sell at that price... probably have a trade in deal of some kind Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darylgo Posted February 20, 2020 Share #27 Posted February 20, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) On 2/19/2020 at 2:01 AM, sebben said: Hard to see many sell at that price... I'll continue to use an S-E and my returning from repair with new sensor S2. It's not clear what Leica has planned for the S system, this lack of clarity makes me less comfortable with new purchases, in the meantime I continue to love my S system and I don't see any reason it couldn't go forward as-is for many years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZHNL Posted February 20, 2020 Share #28 Posted February 20, 2020 If you treat Leica S as a old fashion Medium format film camera and use it that way, you will be very happy with what you get in S3, so is S006/007. From Leica M10M, I think they might have a very capable sensor in this S3. I will buy it but not at this introduction price. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted February 21, 2020 Share #29 Posted February 21, 2020 Over many years I have owned the S-system, sometimes I thought I need something smaller (x1d), or faster (SL), or smaller and faster (SL2). But again and again if I use the S after some time again the IQ shines. Just yesterday I shot some images with the SL2+35 and 75 SL-Summicrons vs the S007 with 45 and 100 mm. It was not scientific and both deliver very nice IQ. However overall the S combo has still a certain natural look, sharp but smooth, with nice midtones, very good colors which impresses me. I think its both the lenses and the sensor. Overall I am quite happy with the S007 (expect sometimes AF accurancy with certain lenses) and 37MP are fine for me. I wonder what you guys expect from the S3. Would you upgrade? And if so for what reason? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterv Posted February 21, 2020 Share #30 Posted February 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, tom0511 said: I wonder what you guys expect from the S3. Would you upgrade? And if so for what reason? Hi Tom, I hope I will be able to upgrade in a few years time. I guess the reason would be having a bit more resolution and a more modern sensor which promises to produce even better colours and less noise than the 007. In the meantime, I will happily shoot with what I have now, knowing that I am perfectly content with the results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted February 21, 2020 Share #31 Posted February 21, 2020 I have to say that I feel 37MP is a nice sweetspot between 24 and 47 of the FF sensors. Color of the "old" S007 seems to be still a little better/natural than the SL2 (which is my fav. FF camera) I also have s S006 with a new sensor. I know the CCD look....but the S007 feels faster for me to use and I think also the S007 si really not bad at all. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardC Posted February 21, 2020 Share #32 Posted February 21, 2020 On 2/19/2020 at 5:01 AM, sebben said: Hard to see many sell at that price... It's not meant to be a mass market camera, so that's probably the point. Leica already has the "premium consumer" market covered with the SL2. The S is made for professionals, and it's not necessarily overpriced in that market, as long as it performs as it should. To put things in perspective, a furniture delivery company will pay more than that for a van... There are a few thousand photographers worldwide who are doing at-least as-well as local delivery companies! Of course, many of us here got into the S system for non-commercial reasons. I include myself in that group. I'm sure that Leica will find a way to keep us happy, as they have before. I certainly couldn't justify spending 18,000 Euro for a camera, but I only spent a fraction of that on a new S-E a few years back. Same with lenses, which I purchased with full warranties from official Leica stores. I think that Leica wants our business, but they also realize that it's not what keeps the S system viable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Richardson Posted February 21, 2020 Share #33 Posted February 21, 2020 I am using a demo S006 that I bought for 12,000 dollars about six years ago. I work as a pro, but not in a lucrative commercial environment. I use the S for art photography, artwork reproduction, studio work and camera based scanning. I did not consider the S007 at the time, as for me color and performance at base ISO are more important than high ISO. I felt like the 007 was a side grade at best for my usage: sacrificing color and low ISO sharpness for live view, better high ISO performance and video. Video and live view were interesting to me, but it turned out that the S video could not compete with cameras like the A7S, which could be obtained for half the cost of a single S lens. So I waited. And waited. And waited. And waited. Nothing happened for ages, but at the same time, the only cameras which were truly better were Phase One cameras that cost many multiples of the S. I tested the GFX, and felt that it was better in some ways, and worse in others, but ultimately the S gave me better results in the way that I used it, and was more pleasant to use. Add to that the fact that I already had all the lenses I needed, and switching was a non-starter. The GFX 100 was a similar calculation. It certainly has more resolution and far better specs in many ways, but it is still an EVF camera with color that is not as good as the S006. I tried the SL2, and it was the same problem...so many people love EVF's, but I find them atrocious...they still look like screens, and give nothing of the nuance or immediacy of an optical viewfinder, especially in darkness. So. I wait for the S3. I work as an artist and occasionally print very large. The extra resolution is a large benefit for me in that sense, especially as I usually crop to 4x5. Additionally, when used for camera scanning or artwork reproduction, the extra resolution can be extremely useful. Less stitching and easier to achieve a large native print size. If they indeed manage to solve the color issue (which is of course taste, but the M9 and S006 still look better to me to this day than any other digital cameras since), then I will be able to have my cake and eat it too. 18,600 euros is a tough pill to swallow, but I will hopefully get some manner of trade in for my S006 and I will work to sell other lightly used items around the studio to make up the cost. Hopefully I can bring the cost down to a more manageable sum...one that I can justify for my business. I think I will be able to do it, though it is unlikely to be in the first months of the S3 release. So, that is the long saga of my S3 justification. I hope that if I do manage to get one, it will serve me as well and as long as my S006. If it does, it will be well worth the price. 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterv Posted February 21, 2020 Share #34 Posted February 21, 2020 Stuart, sounds like a logical story to me. The only thing I would like to say to you having read the above is that the trade in for 006 must be really worth your while. I am saying this as a former S2-P camera user who traded in that camera for the 007 and I think I understand what you're saying about the colour difference between the CCD and the CMOS S cameras. I wouldn't say one is better than the other, they just produce different starting points. Looking back at the (daylight) landscapes I did with the S2-P I think the colours have something special. I guess I'm saying that for your business, a trade in price of say €2000 may not be worth the trouble. Perhaps you could relegate the 006 to scanning in the studio or keep it for the times that you feel that the CCD might bring you closer to achieving the preferred end result? I suppose this is my advice to not only you personally, but in general to S--CCD owners, it will be more expensive to buy back an S-CCD once you regret having sold it. I've always looked at the CCD sensor Leica chose for the S in 2007/2008 as the pinnacle of Kodak colour science and CCD image capture technique. And I think that in combination with the clarity of the S lenses, it produces very interesting imagery that I think will be a sought after tool for people who like the special look it provides. Just my two cents, have a great weekend everyone! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Richardson Posted February 22, 2020 Share #35 Posted February 22, 2020 Agreed. I will not trade it in for 2000 euros. Hopefully Leica will have a better offer. If not, I will likely keep it, as you say... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted February 22, 2020 Share #36 Posted February 22, 2020 I’d strongly suggest testing the S3 first before selling off the S006, regardless the reviews or financial incentive to trade/sell. Be sure you’re satisfied completely. Jeff 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted February 22, 2020 Share #37 Posted February 22, 2020 (edited) Re 006 vs 007 (and possibly S3): Quite some people (re)buy M9 for a reason - and Leica's refurbished M9s are quite popular. Not for the high ISO, not for the most damped shutter, not for the EVF 😉, nor for the rear screen 😬. But for the colour and clearity at low/base ISO. And 006 is the M9 on steroids. A classic that I hardly will depart from. Edited February 22, 2020 by helged 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted February 22, 2020 Share #38 Posted February 22, 2020 I rebought a S006 at some point (for a good price) but for my photography I benefit from speed and ISO performance of the S007 - so I really do use the S007 most of the time. Same with M. When I switched to M240 I also rebought a M9 later just to sell it 6 months later. Some images had more pop, but in other images colors were difficult. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milan_S Posted February 23, 2020 Share #39 Posted February 23, 2020 trade in program for S2/S006/S007 and other MF systems will be offered https://leicarumors.com/2020/02/22/leica-s3-trade-up-program-leaked-in-online-training-video.aspx/?fbclid=IwAR0vBg9RKbMvosn7SBhoA4Uw1iXWCPU1yNLudSsQmS2aUodMb5mjkpWmpNs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McMaster Posted February 23, 2020 Share #40 Posted February 23, 2020 That table shows the S3 as being just over 3K Euro 'cheaper' than in the main article... john Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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