gabrielaszalos Posted February 26, 2020 Share #81 Posted February 26, 2020 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) I am now considering getting a Canon Rebel T7 with the EF-S 60mm Macro lens. It amounts to around 800€ and with the Lomography Digitaliza I think it can bring out some amazing “scans”. Would be faster, and would also allow capturing the edges (or even sprockets) of the film which I find great value in. I would love to have my shots contain the black film frame like Cartier-Bresson’s photos. Edited February 26, 2020 by gabrielaszalos Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Danlandoni Posted February 27, 2020 Share #82 Posted February 27, 2020 On a Pakon F-135+. Scanning full roll of 36 frames at highest res in 4 min. Simply put, the files are grain level sharp and the colors are ALWAYS accurate with little to zero post processing. The files from the Pakon are precise, true to their corresponding film type, and have no digital noise from the line CCD sensor. This is the advantage of over say, a DSLR scan. Resolution isn’t everything. They up-res using photoshop just fine to double their 3000x2000 native resolution. heres some XPan scans. https://imgur.com/gallery/ULE64lw 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimm Posted February 27, 2020 Author Share #83 Posted February 27, 2020 18 minutes ago, Danlandoni said: On a Pakon F-135+. Scanning full roll of 36 frames at highest res in 4 min. Simply put, the files are grain level sharp and the colors are ALWAYS accurate with little to zero post processing. The files from the Pakon are precise, true to their corresponding film type, and have no digital noise from the line CCD sensor. This is the advantage of over say, a DSLR scan. Resolution isn’t everything. They up-res using photoshop just fine to double their 3000x2000 native resolution. heres some XPan scans. https://imgur.com/gallery/ULE64lw What about B&W? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danlandoni Posted February 28, 2020 Share #84 Posted February 28, 2020 Both PSI and TLX (software that can run the Pakon) will scan BW and even color positive film with no problem. I’ve scanned probably 200 rolls of Tri-X in the past 3 years with it. I really wish someone will build a new Pakon so I don’t need a separate computer. It’s theoretically very simple compared to a flatbed scanner. In the meantime I run an old PC and just save files to a cloud so I can continue on my editing workstation or even on my iPad. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david strachan Posted February 28, 2020 Share #85 Posted February 28, 2020 Doesn't the high resolution just end up scanning grain at high resolution? That's why the files become huge. The effect makes the film look even more grainy. Scans from my film processor, professional lab, come back about 5 Mb and look very grainy, even for low grain Ilford FP4+, my film of choice. It's their medium resolution scan and quite suitable for 8x10 printing. I use my flatbed scanner (Canoscan 8800) and get less grain, and can still print a decent A4 print (8×10). It doesn't go crazy detailing grain. I'd like to know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
convexferret Posted February 28, 2020 Share #86 Posted February 28, 2020 High resolution scans will be less grainy as they properly resolve the grain. Most medium-resolution scanners make grain look larger due to grain aliasing (look it up). Low resolution scanners like the flatbeds tend to be don’t have enough resolution to even partially resolve the grain. They give soft, and therefore grain (and sharpness) -free images. All of these options may be good enough for on-screen or small prints. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david strachan Posted February 28, 2020 Share #87 Posted February 28, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) Thanks Andrew. What you say makes a lot of sense. Cheers ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted February 28, 2020 Share #88 Posted February 28, 2020 7 hours ago, david strachan said: Doesn't the high resolution just end up scanning grain at high resolution? That's why the files become huge. The effect makes the film look even more grainy. Scans from my film processor, professional lab, come back about 5 Mb and look very grainy, even for low grain Ilford FP4+, my film of choice. It's their medium resolution scan and quite suitable for 8x10 printing. I use my flatbed scanner (Canoscan 8800) and get less grain, and can still print a decent A4 print (8×10). It doesn't go crazy detailing grain. I'd like to know. https://wasteoffilm.com/blog/2017/4/23/scanner-comparison-pakon-f135-vs-epson-v600-photo-scanner 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Nordvik Posted February 28, 2020 Share #89 Posted February 28, 2020 18 hours ago, david strachan said: Doesn't the high resolution just end up scanning grain at high resolution? That's why the files become huge. The effect makes the film look even more grainy. Scans from my film processor, professional lab, come back about 5 Mb and look very grainy, even for low grain Ilford FP4+, my film of choice. It's their medium resolution scan and quite suitable for 8x10 printing. I use my flatbed scanner (Canoscan 8800) and get less grain, and can still print a decent A4 print (8×10). It doesn't go crazy detailing grain. I'd like to know. The difference between Nikon 9000 and the other Nikons is that 9000 uses LED light. This is why 9000 shows less grain than the other scanners. Or so I have been told. The problem is that the 9000 is very expensive and if you do not scan Kodachrome or medium format, a 4000 or 5000 makes more sense. I have a Nikon 4000 and I am very satisfied with it, but it (and 9000) uses FireWire cables which is expensive to get to work on a modern computer. Better buy a 5000 that uses USB. If you only scan B&W (not C-41) use a digital camera. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommonego@gmail.com Posted February 29, 2020 Share #90 Posted February 29, 2020 4 hours ago, J.Nordvik said: If you only scan B&W (not C-41) use a digital camera. C-41 is doable photographing with a camera, just a question of if the fiddling with color balance is any faster than scanning. My setup has sharper results than my scanner, so I am still pursuing this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Nordvik Posted February 29, 2020 Share #91 Posted February 29, 2020 14 minutes ago, tommonego@gmail.com said: C-41 is doable photographing with a camera, just a question of if the fiddling with color balance is any faster than scanning. My setup has sharper results than my scanner, so I am still pursuing this. I am talking about B&W C41 which work like a color C41 in a Nikon scanner. ICE will take care of scratches and dust. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Nordvik Posted February 29, 2020 Share #92 Posted February 29, 2020 5cm Summicron Collapsible + M3: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/305330-recommendation-on-negative-scanner/?do=findComment&comment=3921678'>More sharing options...
J.Nordvik Posted February 29, 2020 Share #93 Posted February 29, 2020 A crop, both with Nikon 4000. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/305330-recommendation-on-negative-scanner/?do=findComment&comment=3921679'>More sharing options...
david strachan Posted February 29, 2020 Share #94 Posted February 29, 2020 Amazing detail Mr Nordvik, using the collapsible Summicron...especially as it's an edge enlargement. Your scanner has done a great job too. I use same lens after clean and lubrication, with OUFRO, gives nice close up 1:4 and right through to infinity. It's my only Leica 50mm and I'm quite happy. Just a note to say the collapsible is no slouch...and looks great too.🤣 ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Nordvik Posted February 29, 2020 Share #95 Posted February 29, 2020 A nice lens, but I have sold it. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/305330-recommendation-on-negative-scanner/?do=findComment&comment=3921699'>More sharing options...
105012 Posted February 29, 2020 Share #96 Posted February 29, 2020 On 2/27/2020 at 3:33 PM, dimm said: What about B&W? Works fine: Pakon F-135+ scan of Tri-X. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/305330-recommendation-on-negative-scanner/?do=findComment&comment=3921706'>More sharing options...
dimm Posted February 29, 2020 Author Share #97 Posted February 29, 2020 56 minutes ago, 105012 said: Works fine: Pakon F-135+ scan of Tri-X. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! It scans B&W negative as a color and you should convert result Which had some color cast to b&w after, right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
105012 Posted February 29, 2020 Share #98 Posted February 29, 2020 1 minute ago, dimm said: It scans B&W negative as a color and you should convert result Which had some color cast to b&w after, right? There is a B/W button, I press that and turn off ICE, then scan. The result has a slight warm tone, I click one more button "Cool" to remove that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
105012 Posted February 29, 2020 Share #99 Posted February 29, 2020 Also, I use a modern Mac with Windows XP running in an emulator (VM). All works fine. I keep the XP VM with no internet connection (isolated) and share a folder from my Mac as a drive on XP, the software saves straight into the folder on my Mac. So no worries about viruses etc on the XP... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Wilmore Posted August 10, 2022 Share #100 Posted August 10, 2022 has anyone tried the Plustek OpticFilm 120 Pro? this thing seems to be the new modern Pakon... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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