LocalHero1953 Posted December 13, 2019 Share #41 Posted December 13, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) 27 minutes ago, AlanJW said: Sure. Ask him, and ask Dr. Kaufmann. That's how they have answered in the past. Including the legal restrictions. Again maybe. Asking questions, sometimes the same questions, may elicit side comments and nuances that you don't get from straight repetition of a legal position. Journalists know this - that's why their job is asking questions. So if PK and AK have been asked this before, I would still be interested to hear the answer, because the truth is unlikely to be absolutely precisely in line with the party line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SrMi Posted December 13, 2019 Share #42 Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said: Again maybe. Asking questions, sometimes the same questions, may elicit side comments and nuances that you don't get from straight repetition of a legal position. Journalists know this - that's why their job is asking questions. So if PK and AK have been asked this before, I would still be interested to hear the answer, because the truth is unlikely to be absolutely precisely in line with the party line. I don't think the point of this Q&A would be to trap Peter Karbe to say something that he shouldn't :-(. Edited December 13, 2019 by SrMi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted December 13, 2019 Share #43 Posted December 13, 2019 45 minutes ago, SrMi said: I don't think the point of this Q&A would be to trap Peter Karbe to say something that he shouldn't :-(. Who's talking about trapping? Where did that come from? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted December 13, 2019 Share #44 Posted December 13, 2019 37 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said: Who's talking about trapping? Where did that come from? I apologize for having misunderstood you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted December 13, 2019 Share #45 Posted December 13, 2019 Karbe is used to being asked when they will offer everyone's dream lenses, and the answer is always the same -- can't say now. Instead ask him about how important it is to design lenses in families and what are the constraints that result, e.g. the SL Summicrons. Can they all be as good as the 35 mm? Can they extend to 135? To 180? Perhaps as f/2.8s? What if they took that approach to design the equivalent of the SuperElmar even higher-resolution wide angles for future 100 MPx sensors. Could he (or would he) do Noctiluxes for the L-mount? 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lik Posted December 13, 2019 Author Share #46 Posted December 13, 2019 vor 9 Stunden schrieb AlanJW: If they did coordinate, they would have some thorny legal problems, by the way. That’s exactly the point I think. I’ll try to put it in a friendly non investigating question. I’m pretty sure Leica policy is to focus It’s resources on the very high class primes because they have the knowledge and they can sell for their prices though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lik Posted December 13, 2019 Author Share #47 Posted December 13, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) vor 7 Stunden schrieb LocalHero1953: Again maybe. Asking questions, sometimes the same questions, may elicit side comments and nuances that you don't get from straight repetition of a legal position. Journalists know this - that's why their job is asking questions. So if PK and AK have been asked this before, I would still be interested to hear the answer, because the truth is unlikely to be absolutely precisely in line with the party line. I agree with you. Since I do a lot of interviewing in my main profession I know about that thin line. I’ll try 😉 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dantemi Posted December 13, 2019 Share #48 Posted December 13, 2019 I would ask him why it is not possible to select from the menu options by touch...(unless I'm missing something) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 13, 2019 Share #49 Posted December 13, 2019 11 hours ago, AlanJW said: They do not coordinate. They are competitors and my understanding is all that is shared is the L mount technology. After that, all of the L mount companies are on their own. They can choose individually to make or not make products that are directly competitive (such as the Panasonic bodies) but they do not decide as a group who is going to make which lenses. Sigma may have seen an opportunity with its 45mm because there was nothing in Leica's lineup that matched it, but that would be a Sigma business decision and not one coordinated with Leica -- or Panasonic for that matter. If they did coordinate, they would have some thorny legal problems, by the way. But it wouldn't prevent them from staying on their own turf, so to speak. Coordination is one thing, estimating the right positioning of the product line considering the competition another. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted December 13, 2019 Share #50 Posted December 13, 2019 1 hour ago, jaapv said: But it wouldn't prevent them from staying on their own turf, so to speak. Coordination is one thing, estimating the right positioning of the product line considering the competition another. Exactly, and why the question is worth asking: so we can temper our expectations about which lenses may appear from which suppliers (published roadmaps aren't always reliable). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrp Posted December 13, 2019 Share #51 Posted December 13, 2019 Ask him whether it really is the case that his SL Summicrons are so perfect that they need no Lightroom / Camera RAW lens correction, or whether it's just a bug in the SL2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likaleica Posted December 13, 2019 Share #52 Posted December 13, 2019 I am curious about image stabilization when using the 24-90 or the 90-280 on the SL2. Do both the camera and lens IS systems work, and do they coordinate with each other? I'l also interested in the tilt/shift question others have raised. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted December 13, 2019 Share #53 Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) vor 2 Stunden schrieb jrp: Ask him whether it really is the case that his SL Summicrons are so perfect that they need no Lightroom / Camera RAW lens correction, or whether it's just a bug in the SL2. Yes, they are so perfect that they don't need any corrections with LR lens profiles. You can try to remove the opcodes. There aren't any to remove in files created with the SL Summicrons. I'm just about to start a thread 'Nikkor Z 35/1.8 S vs. APO 35 Summicron-SL.' I've removed the opcodes in the first file with the Nikon lens in order to show the amount of the distortion that needs to be corrected with a profile in LR. I'll post links to download the RAW files so that everyone can try to remove the opcodes in the APO 35 Summicron-SL files until the cows come home. 😂 Edited December 13, 2019 by Chaemono 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanJW Posted December 13, 2019 Share #54 Posted December 13, 2019 5 hours ago, jaapv said: But it wouldn't prevent them from staying on their own turf, so to speak. Coordination is one thing, estimating the right positioning of the product line considering the competition another. Yes. Individually deciding what makes sense for your company is perfectly ok. You might choose to fill a competitive void, for example, instead of making a focal length/aperture that has already been done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted December 13, 2019 Share #55 Posted December 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Chaemono said: Yes, they are so perfect that they don't need any corrections with LR lens profiles. You can try to remove the opcodes. There aren't any to remove in files created with the SL Summicrons. I'm just about to start a thread 'Nikkor Z 35/1.8 S vs. APO 35 Summicron-SL.' I've removed the opcodes in the first file with the Nikon lens in order to show the amount of the distortion that needs to be corrected with a profile in LR. I'll post links to download the RAW files so that everyone can try to remove the opcodes in the APO 35 Summicron-SL files until the cows come home. 😂 Lumix S1/S1R cameras add built-in profiles for Summicron-SL lenses. I assume they do not contain any corrections, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted December 13, 2019 Share #56 Posted December 13, 2019 Gerade eben schrieb SrMi: Lumix S1/S1R cameras add built-in profiles for Summicron-SL lenses. I assume they do not contain any corrections, though. That is correct. Whatever the Lumix cameras write to the files taken with the Summicron-SL lenses, it is not opcodes with distortion corrections. I removed the Lumix opcodes to check. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrp Posted December 13, 2019 Share #57 Posted December 13, 2019 5 hours ago, Chaemono said: Yes, they are so perfect that they don't need any corrections with LR lens profiles. You can try to remove the opcodes. There aren't any to remove in files created with the SL Summicrons. I'm just about to start a thread 'Nikkor Z 35/1.8 S vs. APO 35 Summicron-SL.' I've removed the opcodes in the first file with the Nikon lens in order to show the amount of the distortion that needs to be corrected with a profile in LR. I'll post links to download the RAW files so that everyone can try to remove the opcodes in the APO 35 Summicron-SL files until the cows come home. 😂 I thought that the S1/S1R wrote some opcodes into the files. Are they just No Ops? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MediaFotografie Posted December 13, 2019 Share #58 Posted December 13, 2019 ...today there wasn't any news - beside the lens design of all 7 Summicron-SL-Lenses But Peter Karbe showed the quality and philosophy of the Summicron-SL-line very impressive; a wonderful event Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/304331-peter-karbe-speech-on-friday-questions/?do=findComment&comment=3872787'>More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted December 13, 2019 Share #59 Posted December 13, 2019 vor 42 Minuten schrieb jrp: I thought that the S1/S1R wrote some opcodes into the files. Are they just No Ops? As I said, the opcodes that the S1/R write into the RAW files do not include instructions for distortion correction. Simply remove these opcodes from the RAW files and compare the pictures with and without opcodes. There’ll be no correction for distortion that will have been applied. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted December 14, 2019 Share #60 Posted December 14, 2019 9 hours ago, Likaleica said: I am curious about image stabilization when using the 24-90 or the 90-280 on the SL2. Do both the camera and lens IS systems work, and do they coordinate with each other? Yes, OIS provides an extra half stop (from 5.5 to 6) when combined with IBIS. https://www.reddotforum.com/content/2019/11/leica-sl2-announced-47mp-ibis-cine4k60-and-more/ Jeff 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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