bags27 Posted October 29, 2019 Share #141 Posted October 29, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) 19 minutes ago, nicci78 said: Don’t worry @bags27 CL is doing ok and will see a successor. However TL line is doomed. TL2 would certainly be the last of its kind. And this is for the best. Knowing that Leica will throw all its R&D into only one APS-C camera, is better than seeing it split between X and T in the past. Or between TL2 and CL today. New made in Germany TL lenses are still planned. But released date is unknown though. Well, nicci, you just rained on my fantasy parade! 😃It's really hard for me to pretend I need an SL2 if there's really a CL2 coming.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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J.Nordvik Posted October 29, 2019 Share #142 Posted October 29, 2019 23 minutes ago, nicci78 said: Don’t worry @bags27 CL is doing ok and will see a successor. However TL line is doomed. TL2 would certainly be the last of its kind. And this is for the best. Knowing that Leica will throw all its R&D into only one APS-C camera, is better than seeing it split between X and T in the past. Or between TL2 and CL today. New made in Germany TL lenses are still planned. But released date is unknown though. T and TL/TL2 is a much more unique camera than CL. CL seems nice, but expensive compare to other makers. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Nordvik Posted October 29, 2019 Share #143 Posted October 29, 2019 PS: Without offering anything new. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted October 29, 2019 Share #144 Posted October 29, 2019 27 minutes ago, nicci78 said: Don’t worry @bags27 CL is doing ok and will see a successor. However TL line is doomed. TL2 would certainly be the last of its kind. And this is for the best. Knowing that Leica will throw all its R&D into only one APS-C camera, is better than seeing it split between X and T in the past. Or between TL2 and CL today. New made in Germany TL lenses are still planned. But released date is unknown though. A new X camera as a mini-Q would not be a bad idea. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted October 29, 2019 Share #145 Posted October 29, 2019 vor 20 Minuten schrieb J.Nordvik: Have you looked at how far back the sensor is in the M10? It is at the far end of the camera. On any mirrorless it is close to the lens mount. There is no way that one can add IBIS in a M10. The sensor in M10 is 8-12mm further back than any mirrorless. Pretty impressive when you look at the compact size of the camera. Bummer. I’ll have to go with an SL2 then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted October 29, 2019 Share #146 Posted October 29, 2019 1 minute ago, jaapv said: A new X camera as a mini-Q would not be a bad idea. I guess that would make it a real Q-T. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted October 29, 2019 Share #147 Posted October 29, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 hour ago, Jeff S said: Lack of weather sealing in CL system to date is a deal breaker for me, given specific alternative M priorities. Jeff Tropical rainstorms, 100% moisture @ 30º plus and salt air, spray from the ocean in small boats, mud splatters from bogged down 4WDs, my CL survived all of that the last few weeks. It may not have an IP rating, but it is one tough little camera. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted October 29, 2019 Share #148 Posted October 29, 2019 vor 1 Minute schrieb jaapv: Tropical rainstorms, 100% moisture @ 30º plus and salt air, spray from the ocean in small boats, mud splatters from bogged down 4WDs, my CL survived all of that the last few weeks. Yes, but you didn’t take it in the shower with you. 😉 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted October 29, 2019 Share #149 Posted October 29, 2019 The rain was far worse than a shower, about 50 mm per hour... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted October 29, 2019 Share #150 Posted October 29, 2019 1 minute ago, jaapv said: Tropical rainstorms, 100% moisture @ 30º plus and salt air, spray from the ocean in small boats, mud splatters from bogged down 4WDs, my CL survived all of that the last few weeks. My Ms have also survived many instances of inclement weather, but I’d still prefer a system... body and lenses... that are better designed to withstand harsh conditions, including use of zoom lenses to avoid lens changes. I’m more likely to be in snow than rain, fwiw. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted October 29, 2019 Share #151 Posted October 29, 2019 Agree, but I am happy with the performance of the CL in inclement conditions. I would prefer some kind of certification, though. Although, IP65 like the Q2 is not much of a guaranty against moisture damage. either Weather sealed up to 15º incoming spray is pretty useless. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donzo98 Posted October 29, 2019 Share #152 Posted October 29, 2019 19 minutes ago, jaapv said: Tropical rainstorms, 100% moisture @ 30º plus and salt air, spray from the ocean in small boats, mud splatters from bogged down 4WDs, my CL survived all of that the last few weeks. It may not have an IP rating, but it is one tough little camera. I don't know you... but I think you are tougher than any camera I picture you standing out there in a monsoon with your CL... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted October 29, 2019 Share #153 Posted October 29, 2019 10 minutes ago, jaapv said: Agree, but I am happy with the performance of the CL in inclement conditions. I would prefer some kind of certification, though. Although, IP65 like the Q2 is not much of a guaranty against moisture damage. either Weather sealed up to 15º incoming spray is pretty useless. The Q2 is IP52, I believe, but I get the point. Leicas seem to punch beyond their weight in this regard, without obvious weak spots like some Sony baseplates, etc. Although I have seen reports here regarding light leaks around some recent M mounts. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bags27 Posted October 29, 2019 Share #154 Posted October 29, 2019 47 minutes ago, J.Nordvik said: T and TL/TL2 is a much more unique camera than CL. CL seems nice, but expensive compare to other makers. but the CL has the terrific lenses, and you need a CL to post on the CL thread together with all the wonderful photographers and people there. 😃 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillbeers15 Posted October 29, 2019 Share #155 Posted October 29, 2019 Enough of all the rumours and hear-say about SL2. Time to test it oneself. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted October 30, 2019 Share #156 Posted October 30, 2019 2 hours ago, bags27 said: but the CL has the terrific lenses, and you need a CL to post on the CL thread together with all the wonderful photographers and people there. 😃 The passion for the CL on the forum is fascinating. It isn’t as featured as the TL2, and is retrograde in many respect (M-like, I guess, which is no bad thing). The TL2 has the same sensor and takes the same lenses as the CL, yet it is declare dead and buried many times here - having said that, so has just about every Leica camera at some point. Perhaps it’s a reflection of the market desire for a built in EVF ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Q Posted October 30, 2019 Share #157 Posted October 30, 2019 Yeah the CL is a curious little camera. I feel the weakness of the system is the lens selection though.... no fast wides, no fast zooms, and no OIS. That is a tough sell nowadays. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 30, 2019 Share #158 Posted October 30, 2019 4 hours ago, bags27 said: Well, nicci, you just rained on my fantasy parade! 😃It's really hard for me to pretend I need an SL2 if there's really a CL2 coming.... As the Leica CL was only released in November 2017 I would realistically not expect a CL2 before early 2021 though... I would not expect any new lenses before that either. IBIS/OIS very unlikely I feel. Might be a case of too little too late for quite a few people... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bags27 Posted October 30, 2019 Share #159 Posted October 30, 2019 Ok, you all convinced me not to wait on the CL2. 😃 Seriously, I love the CL. When I reach for a camera, I'll choose that over my Q 4 out of 5 times. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted October 30, 2019 Share #160 Posted October 30, 2019 8 hours ago, jaapv said: A new X camera as a mini-Q would not be a bad idea. I would loved that also. CL + Elmarit-TL 18 is not thin enough and not 35mm equivalent Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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