setuporg Posted September 16, 2019 Share #1 Posted September 16, 2019 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) With the prototype recall, and the used market tanking, I wonder if it's a good time to pick up a 007. A body could be had for under $6500 and an $8K lens goes for half that. If the S3 fails to materialize or is cancelled, will that trajectory continue? So DSLR fans could experiment with the medium format at not so ridiculous markups... Saying that as a year-long X1D user now with the MkII and a good range of lenses, which is a paradox I know. Given the pros like @Vieri did a switch from S to X1D, I'm not so sure it's a good idea... But a good OVF is always my favorite so I also have a Pentax K1 and was a Fuji X100/X-Pro user since its very beginning, but switched to the Leica M system almost exclusively until the last year when it started be 50:50 with the X1D. The MF look is unique and an OVF is missing on X1D of GFX systems. EVF is just never the same. Of course if S is discontinued it will become a rarity and the prices would bottom out and might even pick up at some point... Edited September 16, 2019 by setuporg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 16, 2019 Posted September 16, 2019 Hi setuporg, Take a look here What are some future outcomes if the S system is discontinued?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Jeff S Posted September 16, 2019 Share #2 Posted September 16, 2019 Shouldn’t matter what others do. Buy what suits you and your budget. Keep as long as it satisfies, and if circumstances change, move on. Simple, really. Jeff 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
setuporg Posted September 16, 2019 Author Share #3 Posted September 16, 2019 That's true, the question is what's the direction the used market is likely to take -- e.g., if the S3 appears then 007 will become even more affordable, and if not, who knows? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted September 16, 2019 Share #4 Posted September 16, 2019 And the answer is nobody knows. Don't buy or treat cameras as investments, is my opinion. Jeff 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
setuporg Posted September 16, 2019 Author Share #5 Posted September 16, 2019 That's true too, but one always wants to buy cameras as good deals, to keep. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropo54 Posted September 16, 2019 Share #6 Posted September 16, 2019 I would think that once the S3 hits the retail market (assuming it is well received), that S lens prices will firm up somewhat from the current depressed levels. If Leica goes mirrorless in the future, conceivably there'd be an adapter as well. S lenses also work quite well with the Leica adapter on the SL 601, and presumably the next generation SL, so there's that option that should remain too. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan1985 Posted September 16, 2019 Share #7 Posted September 16, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) S3 will come out very soon. And shortly after this we will have some quite different kind of discussion here on board. I am really excited about that. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted September 16, 2019 Share #8 Posted September 16, 2019 (edited) 38 minutes ago, setuporg said: That's true too, but one always wants to buy cameras as good deals, to keep. A good deal for me is when I get enjoyment and good use from the gear, and produce pics worthy of display prints. I can't know that value until I use it for a good while, and it's not a monetary one in any case. But that's just me, as an enthusiastic hobbyist, not a pro. A good deal?...that's for you to define. If you wait two years and get a camera for $4000 less at that point, was it worth the wait not having it to use in the meantime? If you buy it and the price goes up, and you’ve enjoyed everything about it, will you sell it to make a few bucks? I don't think or worry about such stuff. It's a tool. Jeff Edited September 17, 2019 by Jeff S 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgrayson3 Posted September 17, 2019 Share #9 Posted September 17, 2019 Vieri left the S for the X1D due to its long exposure limits. He shoots long exposure - it's a no brainer. I will abandon the S only when I find a camera I like using more. I haven't found one yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgrayson3 Posted September 17, 2019 Share #10 Posted September 17, 2019 50 minutes ago, Jan1985 said: S3 will come out very soon. And shortly after this we will have some quite different kind of discussion here on board. I am really excited about that. Interesting! My contacts are completely silent on the S. I hope you're right! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Richardson Posted September 17, 2019 Share #11 Posted September 17, 2019 It is almost a year from the announcement with so much as a peep from Leica...I wish they would at least give people some idea of what is going on...we are five or six months past the initial delivery estimate, and it is not like the announced camera seemed so dramatically different from the existing one...different sensor, but same Maestro processor, same body etc... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted September 17, 2019 Share #12 Posted September 17, 2019 (edited) perhaps they're changing the specs..or solving some heating or AF issues or god knows what i always thought that s007 sensor would fit in the SL body..... Edited September 17, 2019 by frame-it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocean2059 Posted September 17, 2019 Share #13 Posted September 17, 2019 I was at Leica's Washington DC store this past weekend and I was told that Leica is still working on the color profile of the new sensor and it's not quite ready yet. The S3 should have more accurate and reliable AF performance. Hopefully, we will find that out soon. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted September 17, 2019 Share #14 Posted September 17, 2019 Well, Toni Felsner, S Product Manager, told David Farkas that the S3 would have a new color array, with better reds. That was only a year ago. https://www.reddotforum.com/content/2018/09/photokina-2018-the-leica-s3/ Jeff 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan1985 Posted September 17, 2019 Share #15 Posted September 17, 2019 vor einer Stunde schrieb ocean2059: I was at Leica's Washington DC store this past weekend and I was told that Leica is still working on the color profile of the new sensor and it's not quite ready yet. The S3 should have more accurate and reliable AF performance. Hopefully, we will find that out soon. That is exactly according to my information. They want to fix some major issues and perfect them. I guess it is a typical German behavior to try to make it 100%. On the website they corrected from spring 2019 to second half 2019. It will be out soon. For sure. They just needed extra time. And I guess this is a good sign that they want to have a very good product hitting the market recently. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterv Posted September 17, 2019 Share #16 Posted September 17, 2019 (edited) Jan, I hope and believe you are right because I want the S system to thrive, like we all do. @setuporg I bought the S007 just three months ago for a very good price at the Leica Store Berlin after working with an S2-P for 6 years and I'm very pleased. The S007 is an extremely versatile camera with great IQ in combination with S glass plus all the adaptable options. You will love the gorgeous OVF! Edited September 17, 2019 by peterv 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan1985 Posted September 17, 2019 Share #17 Posted September 17, 2019 vor 3 Stunden schrieb peterv: Jan, I hope and believe you are right because I want the S system to thrive, like we all do. @setuporg I bought the S007 just three months ago for a very good price at the Leica Store Berlin after working with an S2-P for 6 years and I'm very pleased. The S007 is an extremely versatile camera with great IQ in combination with S glass plus all the adaptable options. You will love the gorgeous OVF! I have the honor personally knowing the person who was the technical manager for the S System until 2014 when he retired. He is still at the Leitz Park as a tour guide for vistors. And he is still in contact with this Departement. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted September 17, 2019 Share #18 Posted September 17, 2019 I have seen very good deals for used Leica S bodies. I added myself a S006 with a replacement sensor to my S007. So if you love optical viewfinders and if your are ok with the size of body and lenses I would think it is a good time to step in. I assume when the S3 hits the market S007 prices will go further down a bit and lens prices stabilize a bit. Just my guess. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertknappmd Posted September 17, 2019 Share #19 Posted September 17, 2019 I learned a long time ago not to worry about things out of my control... What will be will be... Albert 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albireo_double Posted September 17, 2019 Share #20 Posted September 17, 2019 I really hope they fix the tethering...no matter what they do with the colour array or the AF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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