helged Posted October 30, 2019 Share #1201 Posted October 30, 2019 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) A little more pretty with the hand grip, I would say. Otherwise nothing new here: https://leicarumors.com/2019/10/30/leica-sl2-camera-listed-in-austrian-store-fotogoerlitz.aspx/. "European price: €5,990 incl VAT", which is reasonable being a Leica... Edited October 30, 2019 by helged Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tailwagger Posted October 30, 2019 Share #1202 Posted October 30, 2019 As Sillbeers15 somewhat alluded to, the devil, in the end, is in the details. We're a week away at which time we'll all know whats on the table... not to mention what Jono has to say about it as well. Can't wait. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillbeers15 Posted October 30, 2019 Share #1203 Posted October 30, 2019 1 hour ago, helged said: A little more pretty with the hand grip, I would say. Otherwise nothing new here: https://leicarumors.com/2019/10/30/leica-sl2-camera-listed-in-austrian-store-fotogoerlitz.aspx/. "European price: €5,990 incl VAT", which is reasonable being a Leica... As this is public information by Leica Rumour, I should be able to talk about it as well. The newly designed handgrip would not be a decision maker for me but it certainly is a very thoughtful feature on ergonomics. I would still want to add the battery grip for ease of vertical shooting on SL2. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted October 30, 2019 Share #1204 Posted October 30, 2019 Leica has a wide range of ways of creating interest in its new products. There's the SL 'total secrecy' approach (so surprising that it went viral in the mainstream), the stubborn 'let them guess from Nokoshita', the 'give misleading info to Leica Rumors' and others. This time they are inviting potential buyers to hands-on events with titilation by NDA. It's up to page 61 here with a week to go, so it must be working.😉 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillbeers15 Posted October 30, 2019 Share #1205 Posted October 30, 2019 35 minutes ago, Tailwagger said: As Sillbeers15 somewhat alluded to, the devil, in the end, is in the details. We're a week away at which time we'll all know whats on the table... not to mention what Jono has to say about it as well. Can't wait. +1. If one is expecting the SL2 to be a oddball or a 47MPx camera with Super performance, then you will be greatly disappointed. Neither is it a S1R clone as some forum members have started calling it. It is for sure a completely independently designed and manufactured camera. Sure it shares some key hardware and software with the S1R. That does mot mean they are clone. I think the real world usage will be the best way to determine that. If one look at the real world performance of Sony A7RIII and S1R, the DR, ISO sensitivity and AF performance are mostly on par. I’m certainly not talking about split hair difference here. So I would look at the SL2 against the application with SL lenses +M & R lenses and determine if it meets my expectations of a camera body and not just pitch it against the Song A9 on AF performance and XIID on sensor performance. I do not know the SL2 that well as yet, but it does look promising from the little experience I had with it that it should be a better experience with my SL lenses over my last SL. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillbeers15 Posted October 30, 2019 Share #1206 Posted October 30, 2019 13 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said: Leica has a wide range of ways of creating interest in its new products. There's the SL 'total secrecy' approach (so surprising that it went viral in the mainstream), the stubborn 'let them guess from Nokoshita', the 'give misleading info to Leica Rumors' and others. This time they are inviting potential buyers to hands-on events with titilation by NDA. It's up to page 61 here with a week to go, so it must be working.😉 That’s what the marketing folks get paid for. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donzo98 Posted October 31, 2019 Share #1207 Posted October 31, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 hour ago, sillbeers15 said: +1. If one is expecting the SL2 to be a oddball or a 47MPx camera with Super performance, then you will be greatly disappointed. Neither is it a S1R clone as some forum members have started calling it. It is for sure a completely independently designed and manufactured camera. Sure it shares some key hardware and software with the S1R. That does mot mean they are clone. I think the real world usage will be the best way to determine that. If one look at the real world performance of Sony A7RIII and S1R, the DR, ISO sensitivity and AF performance are mostly on par. I’m certainly not talking about split hair difference here. So I would look at the SL2 against the application with SL lenses +M & R lenses and determine if it meets my expectations of a camera body and not just pitch it against the Song A9 on AF performance and XIID on sensor performance. I do not know the SL2 that well as yet, but it does look promising from the little experience I had with it that it should be a better experience with my SL lenses over my last SL. Well said... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted October 31, 2019 Share #1208 Posted October 31, 2019 6 hours ago, sillbeers15 said: As this is public information by Leica Rumour, I should be able to talk about it as well. The newly designed handgrip would not be a decision maker for me but it certainly is a very thoughtful feature on ergonomics. I would still want to add the battery grip for ease of vertical shooting on SL2. A question: Is the under side of the SL2 identical to that of the SL, so eg the SL Really Right Stuffc modular Arca Swiss plate fits the SL2? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillbeers15 Posted October 31, 2019 Share #1209 Posted October 31, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, helged said: A question: Is the under side of the SL2 identical to that of the SL, so eg the SL Really Right Stuffc modular Arca Swiss plate fits the SL2? You will have the answer if I tell you I plan to buy a new vertical grip when it becomes available later. Edited October 31, 2019 by sillbeers15 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luca Posted October 31, 2019 Share #1210 Posted October 31, 2019 (edited) My ‘pusher’ just told me Leica sl2 have 2 different separate layout one for video and one for photos. video is 4K and 5k also. no test low light very quick autofocus on 6/11 already available some units to be sold in most major Leica stores 👀 Edited October 31, 2019 by Luca 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bags27 Posted October 31, 2019 Share #1211 Posted October 31, 2019 sigh. Just saw the specs on the M10 Monochrom. Do you think Leica is going to have a "buy an SL2, get the M10 M for free" deal? https://leicarumors.com/2019/10/30/confirmed-leica-m10-monochrom-will-be-released-in-2020-with-a-new-41mp-sensor.aspx/#respond 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillbeers15 Posted October 31, 2019 Share #1212 Posted October 31, 2019 39 minutes ago, bags27 said: sigh. Just saw the specs on the M10 Monochrom. Do you think Leica is going to have a "buy an SL2, get the M10 M for free" deal? https://leicarumors.com/2019/10/30/confirmed-leica-m10-monochrom-will-be-released-in-2020-with-a-new-41mp-sensor.aspx/#respond Dream on,...Reality is just the opposite direction. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted October 31, 2019 Share #1213 Posted October 31, 2019 5 hours ago, bags27 said: sigh. Just saw the specs on the M10 Monochrom. Do you think Leica is going to have a "buy an SL2, get the M10 M for free" deal? https://leicarumors.com/2019/10/30/confirmed-leica-m10-monochrom-will-be-released-in-2020-with-a-new-41mp-sensor.aspx/#respond Upon reading the rumor this AM, I consoled myself with two essential facts. 1. My eyesight is getting to the point where a 41mpx RF, particularly the insanely sharp MM, is a device that is beyond my meager abilities to wield as intended. 2. The cost will be stiff, i.e. $8K + 5K for the Lasik. But the sensor spec does appear to echo thighslapper's S3 theory, though not in the SL, but in the M. If true, that is an interesting dividing line that says something about the direction and features we'll be finding in SLs vs Ms. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillavoider Posted November 1, 2019 Share #1214 Posted November 1, 2019 6 hours ago, Tailwagger said: Upon reading the rumor this AM, I consoled myself with two essential facts. 1. My eyesight is getting to the point where a 41mpx RF, particularly the insanely sharp MM, is a device that is beyond my meager abilities to wield as intended. 2. The cost will be stiff, i.e. $8K + 5K for the Lasik. But the sensor spec does appear to echo thighslapper's S3 theory, though not in the SL, but in the M. If true, that is an interesting dividing line that says something about the direction and features we'll be finding in SLs vs Ms. I agree, I am not buying another rangefinder again, I got the MP and that's it, if Leica brought out the M11 or M10M with an EVF I would be all over it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillavoider Posted November 1, 2019 Share #1215 Posted November 1, 2019 13 hours ago, Luca said: My ‘pusher’ just told me Leica sl2 have 2 different separate layout one for video and one for photos. video is 4K and 5k also. no test low light very quick autofocus on 6/11 already available some units to be sold in most major Leica stores 👀 you mean 2 different camera models like Panasonic? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillbeers15 Posted November 1, 2019 Share #1216 Posted November 1, 2019 17 minutes ago, hillavoider said: you mean 2 different camera models like Panasonic? Not for camera... Separate menu. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillbeers15 Posted November 1, 2019 Share #1217 Posted November 1, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, bags27 said: sigh. Just saw the specs on the M10 Monochrom. Do you think Leica is going to have a "buy an SL2, get the M10 M for free" deal? https://leicarumors.com/2019/10/30/confirmed-leica-m10-monochrom-will-be-released-in-2020-with-a-new-41mp-sensor.aspx/#respond Consumers / end users have the common trend to get excited when new cameras are released with higher MPx. It is seen as glamorous and trendy,..some simple minded ones even take them as bragging rights. The true facts manufacturers usually up the sensor MPx is partly because the image sensor suppliers change design and phase out old lower MPx ones. Or if not might be non economical for camera makers to stay on. To design and produce a good digital camera calls for a powerful yet fugal processor to be design by camera maker. Somehow this is often not noticed and talked about by end users. Or rather not glamorous to brag about. I do suspect the M11 development is one such case as I do not see a strong ‘push’ factor for a 41MPx sensor to appear on the M body. Heating can be a challenge for Leica Engineers to overcome in a compact body. Edited November 1, 2019 by sillbeers15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted November 1, 2019 Share #1218 Posted November 1, 2019 vor 19 Stunden schrieb Luca: My ‘pusher’ just told me... [...] very quick autofocus on 6/11 already available some units to be sold in most major Leica stores 👀 If your ‘pusher’ is right, my ‘pusher’ will get me one next week. 😁 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luca Posted November 1, 2019 Share #1219 Posted November 1, 2019 2 hours ago, Chaemono said: If your ‘pusher’ is right, my ‘pusher’ will get me one next week. 😁 😎 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockcrusher Posted November 1, 2019 Share #1220 Posted November 1, 2019 (edited) At the moment i use 2 Cameras. a Canon 5DIV and a 5DIII. My 5DIII is a bit outdated. I am planing to replace it with a newer camera. I may switch to mirrorless on one Camera. I normaly use 2 Lenses. Mostly a 35mm 1.4 on the 5DIV and a 85mm 1.2 on the 5DIII. I am not Happy with the 85mm 1.2 the CAs are Awful. And a bit to long for my taste. So i am planing to buy a Leica S2 with a 50mm APO Lens. 50mm would be ideal for full Body shots in my Studio. But i dont know if its a good idea to switch brands. But if i go Mirrorless with one Camera i have to buy a new Lens and a new Camera anyway and i dont like the EOS R and RP cameras and the Canon RF 50mm is also very expensive and the APO lens is in my budget. Well... decisions... Edited November 1, 2019 by Rockcrusher Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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