Agent M10 Posted August 26, 2019 Share #161 Posted August 26, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) 19 minutes ago, michali said: Don't want to belabour the point, as I said earlier it's not a fair comparison. The picture of Kleo my cat in my previous post was taken in shade. The pics below are in full sunlight, again with the Vario Elmar L90-280mm @ 280mm on both cameras with the same settings and no PP. Both cameras have in-camera-sharpening and all the other BS turned off. My point is that the Lumix S1R is really that good, plus it offers compatibility with excellent 3rd party lenses. So let's see what the SL2 can deliver.... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I like the SL's rendering better. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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nicci78 Posted August 26, 2019 Author Share #162 Posted August 26, 2019 I really hope that Leica chose the new 36MP Sony sensor and stops experimenting with various second tier sensor manufacturers The best is from Sony and their sensors can be custom made. What’s not to like ? Just take a look to CL. Leica uses the best APS-C sensor available at the time. It was from Sony. And this sensor is awesome. Making it as good as Q, M10 and SL ! Such thing is not normal at all. And can be avoided by using Sony sensors at every level : 1 inch (V-Lux and C-Lux), m4/3 (D-Lux), APS-C (CL), 24x36 (SL2 ?) and 30x45 (S3 ?) 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron777 Posted August 26, 2019 Share #163 Posted August 26, 2019 22 minutes ago, Agent M10 said: I like the SL's rendering better. The SL image appears to be underexposed, whereas the Panasonic image appears to be a sharper and a more pleasing rendering, You can't please everyone. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted August 26, 2019 Share #164 Posted August 26, 2019 I want to do some 24 MPx vs. 46 MPx comparisons here and see if we can tell the difference. First, 46 MPx pic Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! And now 24 MPx pic Can anyone tell the difference? Of course, not. They are not close ups. Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! And now 24 MPx pic Can anyone tell the difference? Of course, not. They are not close ups. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/300621-rumors-sl2-with-36mp-sensor-only/?do=findComment&comment=3806593'>More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted August 26, 2019 Share #165 Posted August 26, 2019 So, let's crop, and let's see who can tell the difference. 😁 46 MPx pic crop Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 24 MPx crop 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 24 MPx crop ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/300621-rumors-sl2-with-36mp-sensor-only/?do=findComment&comment=3806595'>More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted August 26, 2019 Share #166 Posted August 26, 2019 vor 39 Minuten schrieb nicci78: Just take a look to CL. Leica uses the best APS-C sensor available at the time. It was from Sony. And this sensor is awesome. I was really impressed with the low light performance of the CL and the malleability of the files when I first used it. I think, Jaap was planning to wait a while before getting it. But he realized how good it was in low light and bought it soon after it was released, if I remember correctly. Here's a link to some of my first shots with the CL: https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-N7zNRh/ vor 42 Minuten schrieb nicci78: Making it as good as Q, M10 and SL ! I wouldn't go this far. I have test shots with the CL vs. M10 and vs. the α7R III with the same lens. The CL is impressive but the M10 is definitely better. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caissa Posted August 26, 2019 Share #167 Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 35 minutes ago, ron777 said: The SL image appears to be underexposed, whereas the Panasonic image appears to be a sharper and a more pleasing rendering, You can't please everyone. The SL has nicer colors (not this orange tint). Of course I do not know what the real colors are, but I get the impression it is this “tinted” look that many cameras have (X1D, alphas, and also the S1R a little bit). For artificial items it is not possible to say objectively which is better, but for real persons (standing in front of you) you will know. For web photos it makes a better impression, because the general look is “warmer” which many see as more positive. Still I usually prefer the “neutral” look. It is all subjective, there is no absolute correct color. But I prefer the duller look (less saturated colors). 😎 Edited August 26, 2019 by caissa 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted August 26, 2019 Share #168 Posted August 26, 2019 Comparisons like this are fraught with issues. A lot rides on getting absolutely identical conditions ...... and you really need to use the best optics available.... ..... plus there is no guarantee that the default sharpening in LR is comparable ...... I'll try some comparison shots with the 75/2 and process them to obtain the sharpest possible image without artefacts in LR. What rendering or image you 'prefer' is not an objective test of a sensors resolving potential It's easy to degrade or manipulate an image to create most effects ..... but you cannot magic up detail where none has been recorded..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted August 26, 2019 Share #169 Posted August 26, 2019 7 hours ago, nicci78 said: With a shrinking market. And semiconductor companies mostly interested into smartphone, automotive and CCTV market. There is not many options left for large photo sensor manufacturing. - Canon, only build for themselves. - Sony, the IP and market leader with 70% of share. - TowerJazz a dwarf among the other two. Sony won the party after buying Toshiba semi. Its biggest competitor. Aptina gave up years ago with Nikon One fiasco Panasonic gave up after Olympus chose Sony for its m4/3 and throws Lumix into Sony and TowerJazz arms. Leica will not have many options than choosing the leader Sony. There are many sensor companies Some make sensors for military purposes which have more sophisticated features and better performance then Sony A sensor doesn’t have to be at the bleeding edge. Leica’s sensors are usually middle of the leading group when they are launched, let alone 5 years on. the sensor isn’t the most important feature of the camera. IMHO it’s the lens and handling ..... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donzo98 Posted August 26, 2019 Share #170 Posted August 26, 2019 3 hours ago, michali said: Don't want to belabour the point, as I said earlier it's not a fair comparison. The picture of Kleo my cat in my previous post was taken in shade. The pics below are in full sunlight, again with the Vario Elmar L90-280mm @ 280mm on both cameras with the same settings and no PP. Both cameras have in-camera-sharpening and all the other BS turned off. My point is that the Lumix S1R is really that good, plus it offers compatibility with excellent 3rd party lenses. So let's see what the SL2 can deliver.... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! This makes me even more happy I went with the S1R... not that I shoot jpg's though. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted August 26, 2019 Share #171 Posted August 26, 2019 vor 2 Minuten schrieb Donzo98: This makes me even more happy I went with the S1R... not that I shoot jpg's though. You'll switch to the SL2 when everyone else here does. In the meantime, we'll get to enjoy many more blurry SL JPEGs, I suspect. 🤣 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
michali Posted August 26, 2019 Share #172 Posted August 26, 2019 12 minutes ago, Chaemono said: You'll switch to the SL2 when everyone else here does. In the meantime, we'll get to enjoy many more blurry SL JPEGs, I suspect. 🤣 or close ups of dying rose bush leaves...... 😂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted August 26, 2019 Share #173 Posted August 26, 2019 vor 8 Minuten schrieb michali: or close ups of dying rose bush leaves...... 😂 Let’s not make this personal. I understand that people got to eat and don’t make fun of the objects they choose to show proof of sharp 47 MPx vs. blurry 24 MPx compressed JPEGs. 🤣 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron777 Posted August 26, 2019 Share #174 Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Chaemono said: You'll switch to the SL2 when everyone else here does. In the meantime, we'll get to enjoy many more blurry SL JPEGs, I suspect. 🤣 Oops! Don't look now, but your bias is showing. Unless you've inherited the clairvoyant abilities of Johnny Carson's character, Carnac the Magnificent, how could know what people will choose to purchase? I for one applaud Leica's glass, but unless Leica can show me that they've managed to come up with something—in the form of an SL2— that exceeds the features offered by the Panasonic S1R, I see no reason to switch for "round corners," or a red dot, and fewer buttons. And I suspect that I am not alone. Edited August 26, 2019 by ron777 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted August 26, 2019 Share #175 Posted August 26, 2019 vor 5 Minuten schrieb ron777: ..., but unless Leica can show me that they've managed to come up with something—in the form of an SL2— that exceeds the features offered by the Panasonic S1R, I see no reason to switch for "round corners," or a red dot, and I suspect that I am not alone. Hibernating all this time? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted August 26, 2019 Share #176 Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) These are 1000x1000 pixel crops at f8, iso 100, auto exposure, same WB, S1R and SL. SL 75/2 I've sharpened both till no additional detail is evident or artefacts/noise starts to appear. Obviously the big one is 47mpx . I've no idea how you could do a meaningful comparison by upsizing/downsizing as that defeats the whole object of the exercise..From my point of view there is heaps more detail ..... it's just a matter of what you do with it that makes the difference in the end. If it's for instagram you might as well use your phone. For landscape or wildlife the extra resolution and detail is well worth it. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited August 26, 2019 by thighslapper 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/300621-rumors-sl2-with-36mp-sensor-only/?do=findComment&comment=3806721'>More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted August 26, 2019 Share #177 Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited August 26, 2019 by thighslapper Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/300621-rumors-sl2-with-36mp-sensor-only/?do=findComment&comment=3806723'>More sharing options...
caissa Posted August 26, 2019 Share #178 Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) The first is the SL and I like it slightly better, sorry. But the difference is very small and I could be mistaken. Edited August 26, 2019 by caissa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
verwackelt Posted August 26, 2019 Share #179 Posted August 26, 2019 vor 22 Stunden schrieb jaapv: In a community that embraces cameras without LCD you’ll be unlikely to find much resonance. You are right, Most Leicas are bought to end up in a showcase and then of course need no LCD.. 😉 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bags27 Posted August 26, 2019 Share #180 Posted August 26, 2019 8 minutes ago, caissa said: The first is the SL and I like it slightly better, sorry. But the difference is very small and I could be mistaken. Could be right, but they are both absurdly good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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