Agent M10 Posted September 9, 2019 Share #561 Posted September 9, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) 12 minutes ago, ron777 said: Do you mean #3 on their comparative list, where it is the third camera below the two MF cameras? Looked at it this morning. That's my recollection. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NicholasT Posted September 9, 2019 Share #562 Posted September 9, 2019 2 hours ago, colonel said: the 4 way joystick is important and useful it still appears to be on the SL2 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Any idea (speculation ) what long elevated ridge on the left edge is all about? Looks rather unsightly and not clear what purpose it serves Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted September 9, 2019 Share #563 Posted September 9, 2019 vor 30 Minuten schrieb nicci78: SL2 over S1R Better top screen ? That alone is worth a couple of grand more and seals the deal for me. Just put up my S1 on eBay. What I’ll get for it I can invest in a better top screen. 😂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted September 9, 2019 Share #564 Posted September 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Chaemono said: Just put up my S1 on eBay. What I’ll get for it I can invest in a better top screen. 😂 Got to be worth a pack of Leica rebranded screen protectors. :-) 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron777 Posted September 9, 2019 Share #565 Posted September 9, 2019 36 minutes ago, Agent M10 said: Looked at it this morning. That's my recollection. Then the sensor is in good company. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted September 9, 2019 Share #566 Posted September 9, 2019 4 hours ago, Chaemono said: They forgot to add the M10 ISO dial on top of the camera. You mean you don’t use auto-iso 😳 tell me it isn’t true ..... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted September 9, 2019 Share #567 Posted September 9, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) interesting comment on one of the Japanese blogs talking about SL2 pricing ライカストアスタッフさんによると、フジGFX50シリーズが発売された時、ライカSLの売り上げに影響が有りましたと伺いました。 >> According to Leica Store staff, when the Fuji GFX50 series was released, sales of Leica SL were affected. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 9, 2019 Share #568 Posted September 9, 2019 3 hours ago, NicholasT said: Was informed by reliable source that official announcement will be on September 24 December Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 9, 2019 Share #569 Posted September 9, 2019 3 hours ago, jaapv said: Which doesn't make it more attractive. Speaking as an M and CL fan... Is that the old one or the supposedly new one............they look the same to me? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 9, 2019 Share #570 Posted September 9, 2019 11 minutes ago, NW67 said: Is that the old one or the supposedly new one............they look the same to me? All three of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griebel Posted September 10, 2019 Share #571 Posted September 10, 2019 5 hours ago, NicholasT said: Any idea (speculation ) what long elevated ridge on the left edge is all about? Looks rather unsightly and not clear what purpose it serves Seems like it's a new design for the rubber cover for the ports on the side. It looks more robust and will probably be easier to open. I'm not sure if I think it's a good idea with that design, but we will have to wait and see how it feels like when handling the camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted September 10, 2019 Share #572 Posted September 10, 2019 vor 3 Stunden schrieb colonel: You mean you don’t use auto-iso 😳 tell me it isn’t true ..... The SL2 will have an ISO-less sensor. Base is basically Auto-ISO. That’s why they omitted a button/knob to change it quickly. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlesL Posted September 10, 2019 Share #573 Posted September 10, 2019 9 hours ago, Chaemono said: I found that the four large, unmarked buttons next to the LCD screen of the SL just slowed me down as I would sometimes hit them inadvertently with my nose. The bottom right button cycles through the displays with different information on them. It is convenient to reach while the eye is at the EVF. I use it to see the histogram, then adjust the EC dial, then clear out the histogram and perhaps use the level. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted September 10, 2019 Share #574 Posted September 10, 2019 They’ll bring back the four large buttons next to the LCD screen with the SL3, I suspect. They just want to experiment with “Das Wesentliche” for now. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted September 10, 2019 Share #575 Posted September 10, 2019 If pics are real, it seems that smaller M lenses would not appear as dwarfed by the body, which has less free space between top of lens and logo/top plate. Not clear if height is reduced, or merely different design cues, but it surely seems more compact top to bottom. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillavoider Posted September 10, 2019 Share #576 Posted September 10, 2019 If no ibis I see absolutely no need to upgrade 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted September 10, 2019 Share #577 Posted September 10, 2019 The design, again if real, curiously shows a more squared off edge on the side opposite grip than the current body, which appears to have a rounder front contour. This is counter to some interpretations from Dr. K’s ‘more elegant’ description that a more rounded shape would follow. Of course one person’s elegant is not necessarily another’s. To me, the X1D design is elegant. This seems more old school, but perhaps more ergonomic than the current shape. All speculation and entertainment at this stage. Jeff 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicholasT Posted September 10, 2019 Share #578 Posted September 10, 2019 38 minutes ago, hillavoider said: If no ibis I see absolutely no need to upgrade +1 Also with no IBIS will be even harder to justify double the price vs S1R . We'll see...hopefully more to be revealed under the covers than currently meets the eye. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted September 10, 2019 Author Share #579 Posted September 10, 2019 (edited) It seems to have the same button count in the back as Q2. Which is quite low for a professional camera. It should have a D-pad in addition to joystick. Because toggling between screens will be difficult without central button D-pad. Of course you can click the joystick. But it serves a better purpose as a back focus button or as a manual focus magnifier button. Navigating inside the menu, is easier with a D-pad. I think it will have IBIS. Just like Q2 gives us everything we asked for : weathersealing, bigger battery, better EVF, higher MP count, etc... Leica is just in generosity phase in 2019 Edited September 10, 2019 by nicci78 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted September 10, 2019 Author Share #580 Posted September 10, 2019 (edited) To sum up : - a visually smaller body. Thanks to design tricks. But it retains 98% of SL size. All buttons, switch, dials and joystick have the same size as before. - seems like Leica gave up unibody aluminium. Just like the Q2, I bet the SL will be 100% magnesium. Hence the rounder body. - 47MP Same sensor as Q2 and S1R - bigger rear screen. I guess it is a 3.2” one. - CL & Q2 three buttons user interface. Which is nice for using different Leica cameras. Sadly M10 has a different layout with LV on top, instead of PLAY. And with PLAY in the middle instead of FN. It proves slightly difficult to switch between M10 and CL or Q2 for that reason. M11 should have this order : PLAY, LV, MENU. - no more sharp edges. Say hello to round curves. - still ugly. Actually less attractive than industrious SL design. - Cine mode. Same video capabilities as Lumix S1R ? That would be awesome. Still unknown : - IBIS. Taking into account that Q2 have OIS and S1R incorporates IBIS. It will be hard for a 47MP SL2 to sell without such technology. - GPS window, top case button layout and top screen are still unseen. - I/O ports are still unknown : 2 SD UHS II slots ? full size HDMI ? Mic and headphones jacks ? USB C in body charging ? - still same BP-SCL4 battery as SL and Q2 ? I really hope it still be there. - will it use the same 5MP OLED EVF as S1R and A7R IV ? - availability and price. I hope for less than 6,600€ inc. VAT. Not more please. Q2 is 20% more expansive than lowest Q price. 5,500€ with tax was the lowest non discounted price for SL. Add 20%, you get 6,600€ VAT in. Edited September 10, 2019 by nicci78 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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