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Leica is running a fast professional camera. Not two models like other companies (or will they next month?) who have gone 24mp and 45-47-61

So a sensible upgrade of pixels is more desired

I get that there are people who want 45mp and dont care so much about speed, but being a slower hires camera is not the raison d'etre of the SL

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vor 14 Minuten schrieb mmradman:

While this forum agonise over marginal gain of one sensor over the other, some just a rumour, i have sold my SL601 and use camera with 45.7Mp BSI sensor which works pretty well with M lenses plus has very nice range of native AF lenses.  Z7 is a small and lightweight ergonomic body, IBIS, user selectable LENR, affordable and adoptable to pretty much any lens except L mount, a worthwhile upgrade i am happy with - i have upgraded to "SL2" beater already.

By the way, anyone in L camp waiting for native mount long AF prime or zoom, longer than 280mm good luck with that one.  Personally I have very little use for anything longer than 135mm but having access to 750g 300mm f4 and 1.5kg 500mm f5.6 primes both capable of AF with 1.4 TC make me consider trying long telephoto.

If you prefer Nikon color and lenses and user interface, if you are happy with one sd card slot and if you can live with some compromises when using M lenses on the body - probably a good choice. But what does this have to do with this thread?

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5 minutes ago, tom0511 said:

If you prefer Nikon color and lenses and user interface, if you are happy with one sd card slot and if you can live with some compromises when using M lenses on the body - probably a good choice. But what does this have to do with this thread?

Boom!

BTW I had a Z6. Great camera. Sold it for a SL. The rest is history ;)

 

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1 hour ago, colonel said:

Leica is running a fast professional camera. Not two models like other companies (or will they next month?) who have gone 24mp and 45-47-61

So a sensible upgrade of pixels is more desired

I get that there are people who want 45mp and dont care so much about speed, but being a slower hires camera is not the raison d'etre of the SL

Fast professional camera...that sounds like a quote form Leica Marketing at the time of launch.

Fast professional cameras are Canon 1DX and Nikon D5 of this world, if anything Sony A9 joined the the category - all three with no more than 24Mp.  I am struggling to see working photographer especially one needing fast long prime covering sport, political, outdoor, indoor event and brandishing SL, i have seen M cameras in the wild but not SLs. 

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3 minutes ago, mmradman said:

Fast professional camera...that sounds like a quote form Leica Marketing at the time of launch.

Fast professional cameras are Canon 1DX and Nikon D5 of this world, if anything Sony A9 joined the the category - all three with no more than 24Mp.  I am struggling to see working photographer especially one needing fast long prime covering sport, political, outdoor, indoor event and brandishing SL, i have seen M cameras in the wild but not SLs. 

I have seen professional photographers using SL

It is designed as a professional FF mirrorless. Leica would design something lighter, weaker and cheaper (especially lenses) if it was targeting more of a consumer model (Leica consumer of course). Something like the CL (I know its APS-C but the design and construction philosophy is completely different).

Most won't, due to cost of course, and availability of lenses, but Leica isn't in it for the mass appeal. The fact that well healed enthusiasts buy it, like many buy the D5 and A9, is great and expected

 

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1 hour ago, tom0511 said:

If you prefer Nikon color and lenses and user interface, if you are happy with one sd card slot and if you can live with some compromises when using M lenses on the body - probably a good choice. But what does this have to do with this thread?

Nothing really to do with this thread but sensor debate.  Expectation of 36Mp BSI sensor made me react as higher Mp BSI full frame sensors are already in use.

I liked SL user interface but like Z7 interface even more, we are talking similar number of buttons and menu shortcuts to key functions is excellent.  Colours are good, native lenses are good, adopted lenses work well.  RAW file can be saved as lossless compressed, same size as SL RAW about 40Mb. 

Z6/7 have only one card slo, it is nor SD but XQD.  Big negative of XQD it is expensive but more robust than SD, actually starting to like it.  I never used more than one card even in 2 card slot SL which has, from memory, SD-II and SD-I slots. 

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Whatever the SL2 turns out to be, I am sure it will work very well with my new 7Artisans 75mm/f1.25 lens. Given that I have saved over 95% of the purchase price of a 75 Noctilux with the £400 7Artisans, I can now afford an SL2 😀

Wilson

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4 minutes ago, colonel said:

I have seen professional photographers using SL

It is designed as a professional FF mirrorless. Leica would design something lighter, weaker and cheaper (especially lenses) if it was targeting more of a consumer model (Leica consumer of course). Something like the CL (I know its APS-C but the design and construction philosophy is completely different).

Most won't, due to cost of course, and availability of lenses, but Leica isn't in it for the mass appeal. The fact that well healed enthusiasts buy it, like many buy the D5 and A9, is great and expected

 

I am not doubting that SL was designed with professional needs in mind but with one AF zoom at launch and adaptors for lot of legacy and exceptional M & R lenses it was never going to sweep majority of working photographers off their feet.  Only professional work i can think of is Jono's pink tractor race, no Football World Cup, no Olympic Games, no scrum in front of the Downing Street. 

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1 minute ago, wlaidlaw said:

Whatever the SL2 turns out to be, I am sure it will work very well with my new 7Artisans 75mm/f1.25 lens. Given that I have saved over 95% of the purchase price of a 75 Noctilux with the £400 7Artisans, I can now afford an SL2 😀

Wilson

Dr K would love you if you bought Noctilux and SL2.

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7 minutes ago, mmradman said:

I am not doubting that SL was designed with professional needs in mind but with one AF zoom at launch and adaptors for lot of legacy and exceptional M & R lenses it was never going to sweep majority of working photographers off their feet.  Only professional work i can think of is Jono's pink tractor race, no Football World Cup, no Olympic Games, no scrum in front of the Downing Street. 

yes, lens selection is a hold back. Leica are going to announce a new SL lens roadmap next month so that will be interesting ...

the whole thing also has a shot in the arm from Sigma and Panasonic over the next few years.

most professionals do event photography BTW ;)

 

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12 minutes ago, mmradman said:

I liked SL user interface but like Z7 interface even more, we are talking similar number of buttons and menu shortcuts to key functions is excellent. 

I apologize for aiding and abetting this thread drift, but I really don't buy this statement. Every time I try to convince myself to return to Nikon and pick up the Z7, I look through the viewfinder and think this is what a Boeing pilot must see. Yes, the best UI short of a Leica, but it is way, way short, IMO.

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1 minute ago, bags27 said:

I apologize for aiding and abetting this thread drift, but I really don't buy this statement. Every time I try to convince myself to return to Nikon and pick up the Z7, I look through the viewfinder and think this is what a Boeing pilot must see. Yes, the best UI short of a Leica, but it is way, way short, IMO.

At the time i was considering to drop SL and purchase Z i had a chance to examine S1R with native lenses.  Despite voices stating here the new SL2 will be less brutal than the original SL, including interview with Dr K,  all i can see is SL2 as rebdged S1R. 

As brilliant as SL and its native lenses are Leica supremacy is the M system.  

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9 minutes ago, jankap said:

This is all 200 is vapor talk, is not it. Or has somebody had the SL2 in his hands already?

We know of at least one prime suspect but he is as usual under NDA.

As somebody stated people don't watch TV nowadays and politics is off-limit here, what else to discuss...

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I played with a Nikon Z7 recently, and I thought its EVF, despite its lower resolution compared to the SL EVF, was the more natural viewing experience.  I could have been influenced, however, by the flat overcast sky lighting that day.  If not, it brings me to the point that sometimes it’s not all about resolution... not for an EVF, not for a sensor... it’s about the ultimate quality obtained, which often depends on other design and implementation considerations as well as user preferences.  There are specs, and then there are cameras.

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26 minutes ago, mmradman said:

We know of at least one prime suspect but he is as usual under NDA.

As somebody stated people don't watch TV nowadays and politics is off-limit here, what else to discuss...

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