Apo-summicron-sl 50?

[dkCambridgeshire]

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But still no hints of dedicated L mount extension tubes from any of the L mount alliance partners. There was a time when camera systems always included extension tubes. I remember a well known local professional photographer once said to me, "There's not a lot you cannot do in a studio with a Hasselblad and a set of tubes … "  The SL 50mm APO Summicron focuses to 1:5 … but 1:3, 1:2, and 1:1 would be very useful for many subjects. The 67mm filter thread precludes use of existing Elpros - although there are third party c/u achromats available. Extension tubes are not 'rocket science' … there are lots of third party Chinese auto tubes available for other manufacturers' lenses. 

dunk 

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[Chaemono]

vor einer Stunde schrieb scott kirkpatrick:

Eeyore!

No, I’m not Eeyore! I checked, again. November is right. But the lens is already shipping today, in Germany, too. So you’re also right. And to quote from Fiddler on the Roof: “He's right, and he's right? They can't both be right.” Well, ‘November’ was the reply by a senior person when I inquired about the 50 Summicron-SL two weeks ago. He overheard the conversation, or so he thought. It turns out, he was referring to the SL2. 😁

[jonoslack]

8 minutes ago, dkCambridgeshire said:

But still no hints of dedicated L mount extension tubes from any of the L mount alliance partners. There was a time when camera systems always included extension tubes. I remember a well known local professional photographer once said to me, "There's not a lot you cannot do in a studio with a Hasselblad and a set of tubes … "  The SL 50mm APO Summicron focuses to 1:5 … but 1:3, 1:2, and 1:1 would be very useful for many subjects. The 67mm filter thread precludes use of existing Elpros - although there are third party c/u achromats available. Extension tubes are not 'rocket science' … there are lots of third party Chinese auto tubes available for other manufacturers' lenses. 

dunk 

Hi There Dunk

I've found the Marumi lenses to be really good - and they do make them with 67mm filters as well.

I could be wrong, but I'd understood that these were much better for quality than using extension tubes?

Best

Jono

[dkmoore]

4 hours ago, colonel said:

Just one technical correction, whilst what you say was, and in some ways is, still true on the APS-C system, it was never true on the FE / FF A7 series. Whilst the 24-70mm f4 causes some debate and the 28-70mm is made as a centre sharp only kit lens, pretty much every other Sony FF lens is outstanding. Many of them, particularly the 1.4s generally and the G Master series, the tough amatuer pohotographer magazine (UK) giving the higest scores.

I am not advocating for a non-Leica system, personally it seems I am switching from the A7 to the SL series, for mostly pure enjoyment reasons ......

 

I think your misunderstanding slightly. In no way am I claiming that Sony doesn’t have high quality lenses. 

[Chaemono]

I tried the Sony FE 24-70/2.8 G Master and found it to be a center sharp only kit lens at the wide-angle end. 😁

[Mr.Q]

24 minutes ago, Chaemono said:

I tried the Sony FE 24-70/2.8 G Master and found it to be a center sharp only kit lens at the wide-angle end. 😁

Do you find the SL 24-90 to be better? I'm considering moving up from the X-T3 and 16-55/2.8.

[colonel]

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27 minutes ago, Chaemono said:

I tried the Sony FE 24-70/2.8 G Master and found it to be a center sharp only kit lens at the wide-angle end. 😁

I personally haven't used that lens but that sounds abnormal:

https://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/reviews/lenses/sony-fe-24-70mm-f2-8-gm-review/4

https://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/sony-fe-24-70mm-f2-8-gm-review

etc

 

[Chaemono]

SL 24-90 vs Sony FE 24-70/2.8 GM corners wide open at the wide-angle end here: https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-x8Mwmw/ 

Keep in mind that the SL 24-90 is on the 24 MPx SL, so in the side by side crop comparisons the Leica pictures are seriously handicapped. Still, the SL zoom resolves details better than the Sony lens on 42.4 MPx. I will redo them in November with the 47-50 MPx SL2. 😁

[scott kirkpatrick]

3 hours ago, Chaemono said:

No, I’m not Eeyore! I checked, again. November is right. But the lens is already shipping today, in Germany, too. So you’re also right. And to quote from Fiddler on the Roof: “He's right, and he's right? They can't both be right.” Well, ‘November’ was the reply by a senior person when I inquired about the 50 Summicron-SL two weeks ago. He overheard the conversation, or so he thought. It turns out, he was referring to the SL2. 😁

They are shipping in the US as well, with "very limited quantity, at least initially" warnings in the marketing material.  Mine should go out to me today, but it will take a while to reach me.  And I've seen an iPhone pic of at least one other production lens.

Your other factoid is more interesting.

 

[scott kirkpatrick]

3 hours ago, dkCambridgeshire said:

But still no hints of dedicated L mount extension tubes from any of the L mount alliance partners. There was a time when camera systems always included extension tubes. I remember a well known local professional photographer once said to me, "There's not a lot you cannot do in a studio with a Hasselblad and a set of tubes … "  The SL 50mm APO Summicron focuses to 1:5 … but 1:3, 1:2, and 1:1 would be very useful for many subjects. The 67mm filter thread precludes use of existing Elpros - although there are third party c/u achromats available. Extension tubes are not 'rocket science' … there are lots of third party Chinese auto tubes available for other manufacturers' lenses. 

dunk 

Extenion tubes are not rocket science, but internal focusing lenses certainly are.  I would be concerned that putting a centimeter or two of empty space behind them would invalidate an awful lot of designer's assumptions.

[mmradman]

3 hours ago, Chaemono said:

SL 24-90 vs Sony FE 24-70/2.8 GM corners wide open at the wide-angle end here: https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-x8Mwmw/ 

Keep in mind that the SL 24-90 is on the 24 MPx SL, so in the side by side crop comparisons the Leica pictures are seriously handicapped. Still, the SL zoom resolves details better than the Sony lens on 42.4 MPx. I will redo them in November with the 47-50 MPx SL2. 😁

I am no advocate of Sony quite the contrary but Sony is fixed F2.8 while Leica is f2.8 at wide end only, mostly f4 really.

[Chaemono]

To paraphrase Agent Smith  “Tell me, Mr. Anderson, what good is f/2.8 if a lens is soft except in the very center?” 😂

The whole debate here is about which lens maintains sharpness off center wide open at the wide-angle end. I think it’s good for people to know the limitations of a lens, even it’s labeled G Master, so that they can work around them. 

[mmradman]

47 minutes ago, Chaemono said:

To paraphrase Agent Smith  “Tell me, Mr. Anderson, what good is f/2.8 if a lens is soft except in the very center?” 😂

The whole debate here is about which lens maintains sharpness off center wide open at the wide-angle end. I think it’s good for people to know the limitations of a lens, even it’s labeled G Master, so that they can work around them. 

Agent Smith no surprise there, and we know Agent’s Smith elegance, hint, he ain’t good guy.

 

[mmradman]

Still didn't manage to to attach my M Apo Summicron 50 to Z7, NIKKOR S 50mm is doing admirable job.

[Agent M10]

Purchased the 50Cron today. Supposed to be here tomorrow or Saturday, maybe. Will likely be my last Leica lens purchase. I think I have more than what I actually need. 

I took the 50Lux on a trip a few weeks ago, and could not get over its size and weight. Hate to not have a 1.4, but I don't see myself taking it on any more trips with the 50Cron on hand. 

[Jay B]

I was 4 or 5 down on a list at my local Leica Store and enough of the 50 SL APO lenses arrived there today that one of them is mine.
Can't get away to pick it up until Monday, unfortunately.

[AZN]

35 minutes ago, Jay B said:

I was 4 or 5 down on a list at my local Leica Store and enough of the 50 SL APO lenses arrived there today

Wow, that is good news.

I was second on the waiting list here in Sydney for the 35 SL APO and cancelled my pre-order after waiting for 3 months.  Seems Leica have got their act together for the 50 SL.