Archer911 Posted March 28, 2020 Share #721 Posted March 28, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) 11 minutes ago, a5m said: +1 Curious what ND filters people use with their Noctilux. I had a B+W but sold it because of these new brands that are supposedly better. Nice comparison here: OMG my head is spinning now! Thanks, I think........ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NigelG Posted March 28, 2020 Share #722 Posted March 28, 2020 I’m using a B+W Xs pro nano mrc -snappy name - like this one (well I will be when I can get back into the USA to get my noct v4 from my NYC apartment!) https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01MTXC0DQ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 - maybe I better check that review.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackBarn Posted March 28, 2020 Share #723 Posted March 28, 2020 On 3/20/2020 at 9:38 AM, Dabbler said: My bluntness is clearly offensive. Bluntness isn’t the point, it’s the symptom of a mental construct which triggers your ‘turd’ comment. It suggests an individual considering themselves having a refined taste and less of a memory of how that was acquired. It also suggests your sweeping ‘turd’ comment was based on an egocentric standpoint lacking empathy which is also no big deal depending where you are on the ‘being helpful vs destructive’ curve. However there are other constructs when offering critiques besides egocentric. For example: I’m asked quite often by artists to give critique of their work. My starting point is a respect for their need to be creative and their drive to express that. The second is understanding how they were trying to express. The third is to appreciate the elements they feel were good and those not quite right and would like to improve. The forth is to offer options/learning opportunities for them to to explore. Critique is foremost having a respect and understanding for an individuals works and layering ones always limited veneer over the top in the hope it may help. I imagine you receive and no doubt will continue to receive many likes for the photos you post. This implies there are a number of people who appreciate your work - as I do - not only enjoying the intelligent and artistic eye but also because it offers them new ways of looking at subjects and learning. Amongst those ‘likes’ may be some individuals whose work you classify as ‘turd’ and that alone may be an aspect worth reflecting on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted March 28, 2020 Share #724 Posted March 28, 2020 Kyoto. @Dan Bachmann Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! M240 with 50/1 Noctilux 8 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! M240 with 50/1 Noctilux ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/297666-show-us-your-noctilux-wide-open-shots/?do=findComment&comment=3941608'>More sharing options...
Danielnotnow Posted March 29, 2020 Share #725 Posted March 29, 2020 3 hours ago, BlackBarn said: Bluntness isn’t the point, it’s the symptom of a mental construct which triggers your ‘turd’ comment. It suggests an individual considering themselves having a refined taste and less of a memory of how that was acquired. It also suggests your sweeping ‘turd’ comment was based on an egocentric standpoint lacking empathy which is also no big deal depending where you are on the ‘being helpful vs destructive’ curve. However there are other constructs when offering critiques besides egocentric. For example: I’m asked quite often by artists to give critique of their work. My starting point is a respect for their need to be creative and their drive to express that. The second is understanding how they were trying to express. The third is to appreciate the elements they feel were good and those not quite right and would like to improve. The forth is to offer options/learning opportunities for them to to explore. Critique is foremost having a respect and understanding for an individuals works and layering ones always limited veneer over the top in the hope it may help. I imagine you receive and no doubt will continue to receive many likes for the photos you post. This implies there are a number of people who appreciate your work - as I do - not only enjoying the intelligent and artistic eye but also because it offers them new ways of looking at subjects and learning. Amongst those ‘likes’ may be some individuals whose work you classify as ‘turd’ and that alone may be an aspect worth reflecting on. Hello B, I would like to point out that Dabbler was very open to my request when I asked how he achieved a certain photograph. He helped me a lot and I learned much through his sharing. I would also like to point out “you can’t polish a turd” is grand old saying in many parts of the country, somewhat along the lines of lipstick and pigs. I don’t think much, if anything, can be read into the character of its utterer. Be well and healthy, daniel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielnotnow Posted March 29, 2020 Share #726 Posted March 29, 2020 It’s not just the dof I love about my Noctilux! M10 / Noctilux 0.95 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 12 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/297666-show-us-your-noctilux-wide-open-shots/?do=findComment&comment=3941668'>More sharing options...
Guest BlackBarn Posted March 29, 2020 Share #727 Posted March 29, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) 4 hours ago, Danielnotnow said: 4 hours ago, Danielnotnow said: I don’t think much, if anything, can be read into the character of its utterer. Hi D, Not certain about that. That grand old saying is outdated and goes against current thinking on the subject which is, never write-off someone’s ability to learn. I could name a few photographers on this forum, that if you offered them your most boring subject/item, they could photograph it and produce something interesting because their skill is in making something extraordinary out of the ordinary. When you consider it like that then what you are left with is the difference in learnt ability between photographers, not their love or passion of photography. If you have a mindset, which is what Dappler suggested by his comments ‘can’t polish a turd’ then It does suggest to me an aspect of the utterers character. Likewise....keep well and stay healthy......ps #734....beautiful photograph! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterGA Posted March 29, 2020 Share #728 Posted March 29, 2020 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 8 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/297666-show-us-your-noctilux-wide-open-shots/?do=findComment&comment=3941724'>More sharing options...
Dabbler Posted March 29, 2020 Share #729 Posted March 29, 2020 23 hours ago, BlackBarn said: Bluntness isn’t the point, it’s the symptom of a mental construct which triggers your ‘turd’ comment. It suggests an individual considering themselves having a refined taste and less of a memory of how that was acquired. It also suggests your sweeping ‘turd’ comment was based on an egocentric standpoint lacking empathy which is also no big deal depending where you are on the ‘being helpful vs destructive’ curve. However there are other constructs when offering critiques besides egocentric. For example: I’m asked quite often by artists to give critique of their work. My starting point is a respect for their need to be creative and their drive to express that. The second is understanding how they were trying to express. The third is to appreciate the elements they feel were good and those not quite right and would like to improve. The forth is to offer options/learning opportunities for them to to explore. Critique is foremost having a respect and understanding for an individuals works and layering ones always limited veneer over the top in the hope it may help. I imagine you receive and no doubt will continue to receive many likes for the photos you post. This implies there are a number of people who appreciate your work - as I do - not only enjoying the intelligent and artistic eye but also because it offers them new ways of looking at subjects and learning. Amongst those ‘likes’ may be some individuals whose work you classify as ‘turd’ and that alone may be an aspect worth reflecting on. Hello BlackBarn - Thank you for your comments. They give me a chance to explain myself more fully. You are absolutely correct in saying I consider my self as "having a refined taste”. I do, however, have a strong memory of how I acquired it. If you check my profile you can see for yourself how it was acquired over many years. My “Turd” comment was not, as i said, aimed at any particular image on the forum. It was a general statement which crudely paraphrased the preceding statement which was meant only to point out that pretty bokeh is worthless if the image is boring. I’ll stand by that comment. Regarding critiques, I’ve worked with many photography students over the years and my criticism has always been constructive. Again, the “Turd” comment was not directed at any particular image or photographer. However, if the shoe fits . . . Both PattyFrank and Danielnotnow asked for critiques of a few of their images. You can check them out and see if the critiques are fair or, as you say, “egocentric”. Responding to Daniel’s request, I viewed his Flickr stream and chose one of his images to illustrate a point. I also shared with him a process for creating a certain look he sought for his black and white landscapes. I enjoy looking at and talking about photographs and welcome anyone to request my perspective on the artistic and/or technical merits of an image. I've also taught many classes on the creative process and do have the empathy required to give a participant what they require to learn. I will, however, when necessary, point out what I feel constitutes “Turdness” in general as I did in my original post. Again, I'm not, as you suggest, classifying anyone’s images as “Turd”. I'm not sure what you mean when you suggest that I reflect on the fact that there may be some individuals who “like” my images and who may produce images that I might classify as “Turds”. If you’re saying that I should reassess someone's image because they “like” one of my images, then you’re asking me to be disingenuous. So, if that's the case, I'll pass on that suggestion. Stay safe! John 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattyfrank Posted March 29, 2020 Share #730 Posted March 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, Dabbler said: Regarding critiques, I’ve worked with many photography students over the years and my criticism has always been constructive. Again, the “Turd” comment was not directed at any particular image or photographer. However, if the shoe fits . . . Both PattyFrank and Danielnotnow asked for critiques of a few of their images. You can check them out and see if the critiques are fair or, as you say, “egocentric”. Responding to Daniel’s request, I viewed his Flickr stream and chose one of his images to illustrate a point. I also shared with him a process for creating a certain look he sought for his black and white landscapes. I enjoy looking at and talking about photographs and welcome anyone to request my perspective on the artistic and/or technical merits of an image. I'm not sure what you mean when you suggest that I reflect on the fact that there may be some individuals who “like” my images and who may produce images that I might classify as “Turds”. If you’re saying that I should reassess someone's image because they “like” one of my images, then you’re asking me to be disingenuous. So, if that's the case, I'll pass on that suggestion. Stay safe! John Keep on keepin' on sir. Personally I find 'frank' comments refreshing and valued. Good, bad or ugly, let fly. It simply isn't done in the so-called 'pro' sites as someone's ego might be bruised. Having so many experienced photographers, all with different viewpoints, talents and experiences is this forum's true value. As a relative neophyte to the Leica brand, the forum is invaluable including honest feedback which may include 'colorful' descriptions. Happy Quarantine my friends. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielnotnow Posted March 29, 2020 Share #731 Posted March 29, 2020 The last live jazz in San Luis Obispo for the foreseeable future. M10 / Noctilux 0.95 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 8 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/297666-show-us-your-noctilux-wide-open-shots/?do=findComment&comment=3942386'>More sharing options...
Guest BlackBarn Posted March 29, 2020 Share #732 Posted March 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Dabbler said: If you’re saying that I should reassess someone's image because they “like” one of my images, Hi Dabbler, Certainly not saying that...... We have different ways of seeing and thinking about the world. You consider yourself having a refined taste and I consider - after 60 years of looking at art - I have a learning eye and evolving taste. You can separate an image from the photographer, I consider a photo a reflection of the photographer. Your ‘turd’ quote implies a subject matter or persons ability is fixed, mine considers a subject is dynamic and a person continually evolves. It is at this point our paths crossed.......I respect and encourage creative endeavors at all levels along with the potential of individuals and I perceived your comments - because I make that connection between photo and photographer - downgrading the efforts of others. Gregory Bateson talks about - rivers and banks how the water flows and creates the banks and then those banks contain the flow of the river. He was referring to how our experiences create our mental constructs and how those construct then dictate our view and responses. We may share the same water but at times they flow in different directions. Enjoyed our differences ....you too, stay safe.....time to move on. pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JMF Posted March 29, 2020 Share #733 Posted March 29, 2020 Time to move on... "Show us your Noctilux wide open shots" Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! No momento by JM__, on Flickr TriX @1600 - M3 - Noctilux e58 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! No momento by JM__, on Flickr TriX @1600 - M3 - Noctilux e58 ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/297666-show-us-your-noctilux-wide-open-shots/?do=findComment&comment=3942419'>More sharing options...
ropo54 Posted March 30, 2020 Share #734 Posted March 30, 2020 Noctilux 0.95 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 11 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/297666-show-us-your-noctilux-wide-open-shots/?do=findComment&comment=3943174'>More sharing options...
pattyfrank Posted March 30, 2020 Share #735 Posted March 30, 2020 When the sun rises March 31, my 30 y.o. Selle Francais and I will say final farewells. Partners for 21 years. A great horse. A final post til the month is new. In his honor... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! M10-P, Noctilux-M 1:1/50, v4 17 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! M10-P, Noctilux-M 1:1/50, v4 ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/297666-show-us-your-noctilux-wide-open-shots/?do=findComment&comment=3943199'>More sharing options...
OR120 Posted March 30, 2020 Share #736 Posted March 30, 2020 A beautiful moment you will always have. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JMF Posted March 31, 2020 Share #737 Posted March 31, 2020 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! no Jardim Botânico by JM__, on Flickr Ektar 100 - M6 - Noctilux e58 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! no Jardim Botânico by JM__, on Flickr Ektar 100 - M6 - Noctilux e58 ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/297666-show-us-your-noctilux-wide-open-shots/?do=findComment&comment=3943855'>More sharing options...
Guest JMF Posted March 31, 2020 Share #738 Posted March 31, 2020 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Attention enfants ! by JM__, on Flickr Noctilux 1.2 - M240 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Attention enfants ! by JM__, on Flickr Noctilux 1.2 - M240 ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/297666-show-us-your-noctilux-wide-open-shots/?do=findComment&comment=3943859'>More sharing options...
benqui Posted March 31, 2020 Share #739 Posted March 31, 2020 Am 19.3.2020 um 23:00 schrieb Archer911: SL2 Noctilux .95, yesterday late afternoon laying on pine needles and rabbit turds. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Come on, this is unfair. A 911 looks great with every lens!! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielnotnow Posted April 1, 2020 Share #740 Posted April 1, 2020 Out to pasture. M10 / Noctilux 0.95 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 7 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/297666-show-us-your-noctilux-wide-open-shots/?do=findComment&comment=3943932'>More sharing options...
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