oudjunk Posted April 30, 2019 Share #1 Posted April 30, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) If you got the leica SL, would you sell it to Pana S1? I have never tried the S1 before but i read the review from stevehuff yesterday. The image from S1 is fantastic. Sharpness, Noise, and color in low light are better than SL. I'm thinking about it. I'm not the sure how easy to use of S1 is the same SL or not. I'm the person who don't like the complicated menu that why i love to use Leica (and Canon in the past). What do you think about it? or just waiting for the SL2 in the future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CharlesL Posted April 30, 2019 Share #2 Posted April 30, 2019 1 hour ago, oudjunk said: If you got the leica SL, would you sell it to Pana S1? ... The image from S1 is fantastic. Sharpness, Noise, and color in low light are better than SL. No. Don't have noise or sharpness problems with the SL that need a change of camera. But then, I rarely need ISO 3200, I won't go over ISO 6400, and I have not had to pass on shots I really wanted. As for color in really low light, I guess I don't challenge myself or my equipment that much - process to black and white or subdued color. Huff's images did not impress me. Starting out with no full-frame camera, the choice might be different. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Summicron 50 version IV at f/2.8. Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Summicron 50 version IV at f/2.8. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/296755-sl-to-pana-s1/?do=findComment&comment=3731765'>More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted April 30, 2019 Share #3 Posted April 30, 2019 No. It would make sense for me as I have the S1R. Selling my 2xSL's would give me better performance, modest IQ improvements and shared battery/flash/menus. However.... The S1 menus are still enormous and it's a camera with many many buttons. The S1R is my favourite mirrorless camera to use..... AFTER the SL. It might be nice to have the IQ improvements *if* you need them but it's not a Leica in use/menus. Gordon 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oudjunk Posted April 30, 2019 Author Share #4 Posted April 30, 2019 7 minutes ago, CharlesL said: No. Don't have noise or sharpness problems with the SL that need a change of camera. But then, I rarely need ISO 3200, I won't go over ISO 6400, and I have not had to pass on shots I really wanted. As for color in really low light, I guess I don't challenge myself or my equipment that much - process to black and white or subdued color. Huff's images did not impress me. Starting out with no full-frame camera, the choice might be different. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Summicron 50 version IV at f/2.8. Thanks for your opinion. I got SL but never tried the S1 and i just be wondering how it good when compare to the SL. And the price of S1 maybe i got the money back when i sell sl for it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted April 30, 2019 Share #5 Posted April 30, 2019 5 hours ago, oudjunk said: If you got the leica SL, would you sell it to Pana S1? I have never tried the S1 before but i read the review from stevehuff yesterday. The image from S1 is fantastic. Sharpness, Noise, and color in low light are better than SL. I'm thinking about it. I'm not the sure how easy to use of S1 is the same SL or not. I'm the person who don't like the complicated menu that why i love to use Leica (and Canon in the past). What do you think about it? or just waiting for the SL2 in the future. I have the S1R and image quality is indistinguishable from the SL apart from the increased resolution and hence leeway to crop when required. Low light performance on the S1R is probably a stop better than the SL and apparently significantly better with the S1. To me the main attraction over the SL is IBIS ...... which allows you to AVOID having to use high ISO most of the time. Ergonomically the S is reasonably easy to use as the buttons are well located and avoid having to trawl the extensive menus....... but it will take a while before it becomes second nature. Going back tho the SL after using the S1R for a few months make you realise just how simple and logical the Leica is in comparison. If Leica put IBIS in the SL2 and a few more pixels I would take that over the Lumix in a second. If not ...... the decision will be more difficult ..... 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted April 30, 2019 Share #6 Posted April 30, 2019 11 minutes ago, thighslapper said: If Leica put IBIS in the SL2 and a few more pixels I would take that over the Lumix in a second. If not ...... the decision will be more difficult ..... A few more pixels: This can be taken for given - almost - cfr. Q2 & S3. IBIS: This would be the game changer (for Leica, and likely many of the existing SL-users). But will SL2 offer an option to turn off LENR...??? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoreserve Posted April 30, 2019 Share #7 Posted April 30, 2019 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) vor 31 Minuten schrieb thighslapper: I have the S1R and image quality is indistinguishable from the SL apart from the increased resolution and hence leeway to crop when required. Low light performance on the S1R is probably a stop better than the SL and apparently significantly better with the S1. To me the main attraction over the SL is IBIS ...... which allows you to AVOID having to use high ISO most of the time. Ergonomically the S is reasonably easy to use as the buttons are well located and avoid having to trawl the extensive menus....... but it will take a while before it becomes second nature. Going back tho the SL after using the S1R for a few months make you realise just how simple and logical the Leica is in comparison. If Leica put IBIS in the SL2 and a few more pixels I would take that over the Lumix in a second. If not ...... the decision will be more difficult ..... Having recently sold one of my two SL'S I'll wait for the upcoming SL2. But without IBIS (hopefully not!) I would go for S1/R, albeit I much prefer the simplicity of the SL(2)... Edited April 30, 2019 by panoreserve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted April 30, 2019 Share #8 Posted April 30, 2019 I agree that the simplicity of the SL is really nice and some features of the new Pana is really nice. I think for using M and adapted lenses I would prefer the simpler and smaller SL, for big and bulky lenses the S1(r). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron777 Posted April 30, 2019 Share #9 Posted April 30, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, tom0511 said: I agree that the simplicity of the SL is really nice and some features of the new Pana is really nice. I think for using M and adapted lenses I would prefer the simpler and smaller SL, for big and bulky lenses the S1(r). Actually, the S, be it S1 or S1R, isn’t much different in size when compared, side by side with the SL. Try it, I have, and is one of the many reasons I sold my SL. As for weight, we’re probably talking about the extra grams related to IBIS. So size and weight are a poor argument against the S. In the end, if you remove the buttons and dials, the S appears to be a physical clone of the SL. Edited April 30, 2019 by ron777 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommydom Posted April 30, 2019 Share #10 Posted April 30, 2019 4 hours ago, helged said: A few more pixels: This can be taken for given - almost - cfr. Q2 & S3. IBIS: This would be the game changer (for Leica, and likely many of the existing SL-users). But will SL2 offer an option to turn off LENR...??? LENR truly needs to be an option for on/off. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanadsaad Posted April 30, 2019 Share #11 Posted April 30, 2019 I'm currently debating between the two. Waiting for an S1 to turn up at the local Jessops. Bought the 24 90 lens. My brain keeps telling me to buy the latest gear but after holding a leica in hand and seeing how simple it is, my heart keeps saying SL at the current discount. I think I'll have to rent an S1 and use my lens on it to make a decision. I guess in the end, the camera that inspires you to pick it up and be creative by getting out of the way is the best one. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted April 30, 2019 Share #12 Posted April 30, 2019 vor 3 Stunden schrieb ron777: Actually, the S, be it S1 or S1R, isn’t much different in size when compared, side by side with the SL. Try it, I have, and is one of the many reasons I sold my SL. As for weight, we’re probably talking about the extra grams related to IBIS. So size and weight are a poor argument against the S. In the end, if you remove the buttons and dials, the S appears to be a physical clone of the SL. The grip of the S1r is quite a bit deeper as is the camera compared to the SL. I do find the difference more clear than you do. I am fine with both bodies (and still own both). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuhau Posted April 30, 2019 Share #13 Posted April 30, 2019 No , as a user of SL and M , I have difficulties handling the too many buttons and controls on S1 or S1R . I will cross that bridge to decide, not until I understand what SL2 has to offer. S1R may be but not S1 which has the same 24 Mpx sensor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted April 30, 2019 Share #14 Posted April 30, 2019 6 hours ago, tommydom said: LENR truly needs to be an option for on/off. ..... only if you have a decent sensor ..... on the S1R I would probably switch off LENR for daylight long exposures ...... but for anything with a fair amount of shadow in it ..... particularly if you intend to lift the shadows I would have LENR on. There are a lot of multicoloured hottish pixels that show up quite easily otherwise..... even at base ISO. I think I'd rather spend another few minutes waiting for LENR than 10 minutes with the Healing Brush in LR. Furthermore you don't know how bad the problem will be till you get to the processing stage, so you are taking a bit of a gamble. Having tried it on an off on the S1R I can see Leica's logic in leaving it as mandatory, even though it's annoying not having the choice. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted April 30, 2019 Share #15 Posted April 30, 2019 I’ll rent the S1R (with the SL 24-90) and wait to compare it to the SL2 (already tested the SL combo). Besides IQ, which I expect to be fine, likely factors will be the VF, IBIS and controls/ergonomics. In the meantime, I’ll check any reports regarding S1/S1R reliability or other issues. When the S3 (Leica, not Lumix) arrives, I’ll probably also be tempted to pick up a super bargain S007, if one of my dealers finds.... irrespective of above decision. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relms Posted May 1, 2019 Share #16 Posted May 1, 2019 Would I sell the SL to buy the S1? Probably not. The SL, with all its shortcomings, is still my favorite camera of all time. It looks great, it feels great in hand, the interface is simple, yet functional, and the EVF is the best I've seen - that is until I picked up the S1R. Overall, the image quality of the SL for most applications is more than adequate, and about on par with that of the S1R, but the S1R images provide more latitude for cropping when necessary. Also, I find that IBIS and focus aids make a great deal of difference in the keeper rate when shooting with certain M lenses, such as the Noctilux. If I had to chose one camera over the other, it would be a difficult choice, but I do find that I am picking up the S1R more often that the SL. Perhaps that will change after the new wears off, but for now I am happy with the S1R while waiting and anticipating the SL2. Robert 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted May 1, 2019 Share #17 Posted May 1, 2019 SL to S1, perhaps. IBIS is the biggest reason to do it. Sensor-wise, if one shoots above ISO 3200, maybe, but the SL treats Highlights better IMO. Also, the ISO dial is off on the Panasonic. Steve Huff admits it now in his reply, the sixth from the top, here: https://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2019/04/29/panasonic-s1-vs-sony-a7sii-who-is-the-low-light-champ/ BTW, I find these test useless, except for the last two pairs where he shows that to get the same exposure on the S1 at 1/2000 sec. with the 'same' lens (T-Stops should be the same), the Sony α7S II required ISO 12,800, the Lumix S1 required ISO 40,000. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeinzX Posted May 1, 2019 Share #18 Posted May 1, 2019 (edited) No, I would not change. If I had no SL and to buy a new one - the SR1 would be my choice because of IBIS and higher resolution as well as the lower price. If a SL2 would have IBIS and higher resolution I would think about sell my SL and buy it. Provided I have not to pay more than app. Euro 2500 more for this deal. Otherwise I will wait until my SL falls in particles and probably buy a Panasonic or a Sigma when such will be available and according to my requirements. And I have to add I do not use my SL very much because of its weight and often use my CL instead of it. Edited May 1, 2019 by HeinzX Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted May 1, 2019 Share #19 Posted May 1, 2019 My reality check with IBIS last night, shooting dress rehearsals for a stage production. You can have all the IS in the world and it will still make little difference if you're shooting anything that moves. Most of what I use the SL for moves: music & theatre performance, portraits, other events. Rarely does everyone stand still for me. If you shoot landscape or buildings/cityscapes, of course, IS is vital. But for me, IBIS has just moved down the priority list for the SL2. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/296755-sl-to-pana-s1/?do=findComment&comment=3732314'>More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted May 1, 2019 Share #20 Posted May 1, 2019 But it will come 😁 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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